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 Re: Help identifying Buffet model
Author: Vytas 
Date:   2005-06-18 21:36

GBK,

All professional Buffet clarinets made before 1980 have a wood cut out beneath the right hand pinky keys crows' foot. You're correct, some C12 do not have cutouts. When Buffet first introduced C12 it was a professional instrument but later it was equipped with an E13 keywork and downgraded to the high-end student model. These instruments do not have cutouts.

There has been a lot of controversy about E&S MM. Some people believe they were rejected R-13s.

Not all E&S Master Models are rejected R-13, but the ones that have a wood cut out beneath the right hand pinky keys crows' foot - definitely ARE rejected R-13.

When B&H took over in 1980s for some time there was real mess with the serial numbers, confusion with logos and models. Believe it or not, during transitional period some R13 had no cutouts and came with an E13 keywork. I've personally seen three instruments like this.


Llewsrac,

Even with all this mess during the 1980s, there was no unstamped E11 identical to the R-13 with the marking "Made in France" just below the logo.

Since 1960 all student level clarinets had different keywork than the R-13.

During transitional B&H period some Evette clarinets (just the wood) were made in France and then sent to Germany where these instruments received German made keys and have been stamped with German type "EVETTE" logo. Ears on the bridge key are reversed and appear on the bottom and not on the top like on the R-13. The marking "Made in France" was stamped on the other side and never appeared below the logo.

Vytas Krass
Clarinet Repair
Professional clarinet technician
Custom clarinet mouthpiece maker
Former professional clarinet player



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