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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2005-06-03 13:57
Probably the answer are very simple and well known, BUT, at what note[A thru G] does the octave nomenclature [a #{3} or '''?] change , as from C4 [C''''] to, p.e., A5[A''''']. My apologies is this question is too stupid. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: John Stackpole
Date: 2005-06-03 14:17
To my understanding this is all based on a standard piano.
The lowest note there is an A (A1) then B1, C1, etc.
So, counting up, C4 is "middle C" and the "440 A", a few notes above that, would be A5.
Always willing (and eager) to be corrected, however...
JDS
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2005-06-03 14:38
John Stackpole wrote:
> Always willing (and eager) to be corrected, however...
That's an explanation that's as good as it gets ...
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2005-06-03 19:05
With little response, I'll "stir the pot". ASSUMING its based on the C scales [possibly on the A scales? {too many sharps?}], I'd think that the C thru B 4's would be from middle C thru mid staff B and sim. upwards, [the 5's]. The reason I pursue this "will of the wisp??" is that in note-repair discussions, partic with newbies, we have trouble defining location [in/near the treble staff], using "area" terms such as lower chalameau/upper clarion/ etc, when we could be specific such as " a poor A5, a stuffy Bb4 etc. Any and all comments will be cheerfully received. I didn't find any help in Groves, but their appologgiatura discussion was V G. TKS, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: David Peacham
Date: 2005-06-04 16:53
I agree with EEBaum and disagree with John and Mark: it changes at C, not at A. Therefore the lowest note of an 88-key piano is A0, then Bb0, B0, C1.....
.....up to A7, Bb7, B7, C8.
Middle C is therefore C4; the A to which we tune A=440 is A4, not A5.
See, for example, http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/appendix/octaveregisters/octaveregisters.html, which describes this as the "Acoustical Society of America System" and shows it on a yellow background. You'll rapidly see the confusion caused by competing systems, but they all start their octaves at C, not at A.
Mark - maybe you should enhance your "The C4 standard" graphic to make this clear.
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If there are so many people on this board unwilling or unable to have a civil and balanced discussion about important issues, then I shan't bother to post here any more.
To the great relief of many of you, no doubt.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2005-06-04 18:14
Many TKS, David P, your reference answers all questions, and is exactly what I was looking for, glad I brought up the question. It also shows Mark C's wisdom in establishing C4 as [our] middle C, and I concur on enhancing the C4, perhaps adding {A.S.A.S.}. Very helpful, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2005-06-04 19:17
David Peacham wrote:
> I agree with EEBaum and disagree with John and Mark: it changes
> at C, not at A. Therefore the lowest note of an 88-key piano is
> A0, then Bb0, B0, C1.....
You're right; the designation shifts at C, not A. My bad.
I should redo the graphic (and that way remind myself of the shift points so I won't get confused again ...)
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