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Author: Jared Cavis
Date: 2005-05-17 01:35
Hello, I'm writing for opinions on good editions on the following pieces, Debussy Premier Rhapsody, and the Scumann Fantasy pieces. What are the good/bad ones and where are good places to buy them? Also, for students who need cheaper editions does anyone have an opinion on which less expensive editions are good? Thanks a lot! Jared Cavis
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Author: music_is_life
Date: 2005-05-17 03:11
I believe there is only one edition of the piano version of the Debussy (please, correct me if I am wrong...I think this is correct, via my clarinet teacher and a bit of research)- which is Durand...Mine cost about $18 (I dont' have it with me right now, so I don't know the exact price) and I ordered it over the phone from Eble music (eblemusic.com). There is also woodwind and brasswind (wwbw.com)
I'd say (IMO) Carl Fischer would be a cheap edition...but perhaps I am referring more to the mistakes these pieces are laced with? I find that they cost little, but it all depends on what you think is a lot. I believe my Weber concerto in F minor and Mozart clarinet concerto combined were about $20.
btw- I'm not sure how to find the orchestra version of the Debussy, but it is more accurate than the piano part...
-Lindsie
Post Edited (2005-05-17 12:58)
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-05-17 04:33
music_is_life wrote:
> I believe there is only one edition of the piano version of the
> Debussy (please, correct me if I am wrong...I am quite sure
> this is correct, via my clarinet teacher and a bit of
> research)- which is Duran...
Not correct...
There are (at least) 5 different published editions of the Premiere Rhapsodie.
The Urtext edition is Durand (note the spelling).
There are also editions by Chester, Kalmus, Elkan-Vogel (T. Presser) and Peters.
...GBK
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2005-05-17 04:37
As usual, GBK beat me to the punch. But there are at least 6 (if Kalmus has a clarinet and piano version). Southern Music has published a version for clarinet and piano edited by David Hite. Also, the solo part is available in Vol.2 ("Mahler, Debussy and More") of the Orchestra Musician's CD Rom Library. Finally, if you'd like to look at (download) a copy of the original manuscript, look here:
http://www.carbonare.com/main3.htm
Select "download" from the menu on the left of the screen.
Best regards,
jnk
Post Edited (2005-05-17 04:42)
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-05-17 04:53
music_is_life wrote:
> I'd say (IMO) Carl Fischer would be a cheap edition
> I believe my Weber concerto in F minor
> and Mozart clarinet concerto combined were about $20
Carl Fischer does not publish an edition of either the Schumann, Opus 73 or the Debussy Premiere Rhapsodie.
The Schumann, op.73 is published in editions by Peters, Kalmus, G. Schirmer, Billaudot, International, and Henle.
As always, the Henle version is based on the autograph and first edition.
BTW - The 1943 Carl Fischer/Bellison edition of the Mozart Concerto is one of the worst (if not the worst) edition available. It certainly is the cheapest - and I suppose you get what you pay for.
There are numerous questionable notes and trills(!), the articulation is highly inconsistant, awkward and an annoyance to fix, the dynamic markings are often surprising (to say the least), and with recent attempts to reconstruct the basset clarinet version this edition is badly outdated.
Put that edition out with yesterday's trash, where it belongs...GBK
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Author: music_is_life
Date: 2005-05-17 13:04
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Carl Fischer does not publish an edition of either the Schumann, Opus 73 or the Debussy Premiere Rhapsodie.
The Schumann, op.73 is published in editions by Peters, Kalmus, G. Schirmer, Billaudot, International, and Henle.
I was just talking about in general, Carl Fischer is the way to go if looking for cheap [inaccurate] sheet music.
I have his version of the Weber Concerto in F and borrowed another version (publisher escapes me now...) and comparably the other version was far better, since it was devoid of pointless turns and grace notes that didn't make sense in context... that and the wrong notes and inconsistent articulations throughout.
anyway, thanks for the correction. I was told that the Durand (my finger missed the "d" that last time...:)) was the only version, since I made a joke about what a carl fischer version would be like...
-Lindsie
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2005-05-17 15:15
Considering the number of errors in your original message, Lindsie, I would have to say that, in your terms, it's the "Carl Fischer" edition of answers to Jared's question. It's also a compendium of how errors arise when one rushes to print - ranging from typos that the proofreader missed to substantive errors due to inadequate or incomplete research.
A third source, which I suspect is also present in your post, is inadequate sample size. I have to wonder how many of the literally hundreds of thousands of Carl Fischer publications you have examined to form your sweeping assessment of the company's catalog.
It's one thing to criticize (as GBK does) the modern relevance of a particular (old) edition of music based on the contents of that edition. It's quite another to draw a general conclusion about a publisher's entire catalog (as you do) based on a few observations.
If you'd like to read a brief history of the company, you can find it here:
http://www.carlfischer.com/fischer/aboutcf.html
(BTW, it occurs to me that, while the Bellison edition of the Mozart concerto may not be a good edition to use for someone now learning the work, it does, at least, have some historical significance as a record of how one of the greatest clarinetists of his time (if not all time) apparently approached it - though presumably absent the typos.)
Best regards,
jnk
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