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Author: ron b
Date: 2005-05-08 00:55
AKA mario lanza and he can't post a picture of the instruments -- Hahahahaha! [that's goooood...] maybe he had to buy new tires for his Lear Jet this week instead of that digital camera on sale at Sam's Club.
$6800 for a set of old horns. Free enterprise. You be the judge. Would they be worth it to you?
Figure this:
I've personally seen, touched and taken photos of a saxophone (Conn-O-Sax), mint condition of course, that has a 'standing offer' to the owner of $40,000.00 [U.S.]. As far as I know, the offerer came up with the price. Two others, Interested Party, will maybe go higher. Considering that there are maybe a dozen or so of these horns in mint condition in existance and some folks have lots of money to spend on such things, are you surprised? 6800 is 'chicken feed' to a collector with, yes, an open checkbook.
Who knows what lurks behind such transactions? Not I -- for sure 
- rb -
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Author: Neil
Date: 2005-05-08 01:56
I saw a piano in an antique store going for $150,000 once. I didn't buy it.
Post Edited (2005-05-08 01:59)
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2005-05-08 04:04
He was advertizing on the newsgroup for Clarinet last week. I sent him to sneezy, but didn't know that he was asking $6 grand for em.
They are worth about $2000 for the both of em!
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2005-05-08 04:45
The WW&BW once had a saxophone stand on eBay and the starting price was $270,000 (or somthing like that, I don't remember exactly).
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2005-05-08 11:21
Wouldn't they have had to pay the auction fee which is a percentage of the asking price?
Even a Charlie Parker Sax wouldn't start that high! Maybe it was a misprint (or mis-input by the person entering the auction) with the decimal and they wanted to make it 27.00??
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Author: NiceOldHorns
Date: 2005-05-08 11:44
That's my point, RonB...
Somethings are prized (but not rare) like the Selmer Mark VI
Somethings are rare (but not prized) like the Couesnon line of instruments
Somethings are prized rarities like the Conn-O-Sax or F-Mezzo horns
Somethings are commonplace, and overpriced based on some inflated estimate offered at the corner guitar center.
It's the sky-high estimations of the uninformed that amaze most.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2005-05-08 17:56
Interesting, N O H ! Of course, if one "needs" to set a price, you sure cant get it high enough, by saying its negotiable UPWARDS. I'm always happy to hear of new/higher prices of Mark 6's, for my alto and son's tenor, sakes, no sale now. I have a "contemporary" Leblanc alto [w: all their bells and whistles], quite rare, but haven't heard of priZes for it lately! A good friend had me look at his "SUPER" series Sel-Par, predecessor to the 6's, it's now?[was/is?] on sale at a used dealer's for $5800, reasonable?? Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: stevensfo
Date: 2005-05-09 19:44
>>Has anyone else noticed the amazingly high asking prices for some item?
Yes. But for every overpriced item, there's a sucker who just, just might buy it.
It's called the 'market'. The price of an item has rarely much to do with the cost of production. It's all about advertising, hype, market presence, timing, reputation, ignorance...etc.
I've seen cheap indian instruments sell for a fortune in Britain because people know nothing about them. I know of a certain dealer who happens to claim that he is the sole dealer for a certain make of brass instrument and is making three times the going rate! Pure ignorance of the buyer!
On Ebay, I've seen (and sometimes bought) instruments for a good price, then seen almost the same instrument sell for three times more.
It's all a game.
Steve
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Author: jim S.
Date: 2005-05-10 03:41
Are Conn-O-Sax's being made in China or some such place? I saw a street musician in Portland, Ore. playing what looked (from the streetcar) like one.
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Author: kenb
Date: 2005-05-10 06:45
$6800 for a pair of 50 year old Selmers?
I know of a 76 year old set of Oskar Oehlers going for 11,900 Euros...
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2005-05-10 15:07
There's going for, and there's gone...
I think there may be some collusion at the dealer's in order to get to other things... an early scene in the (shoddy) "The Ninth Gate" Johnny Depp's sleazy book dealer character overvalues a collection in order to steal a few rarities for cash. I know the same thing happens in music stores - and the only valuable items produce cash, magically across the counter.
The "prizes" then go home to remain unsold for years...
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2005-05-11 15:45
Gino Cioffi played and endorsed Selmers, but, obviously, he didn't play on run-of-the-factory instruments. At a master class in 1958, he said that he had just received a pair of custom-made instruments and read out a letter from Selmer about the various changes they had made to his specifications. He also said he was having them made for his students.
If these instruments are the custom ones, they might well be worth the asking price. Cioffi played semi-full Boehm instruments, with everything except the low Eb.
Of course, it all depends on how these particular ones play.
I've read that clarinets made by Oskar Oehler himself were particularly fine and that they were passed down from one symphony principal to the next. I have an old LP set of the Brahms clarinet works with Dieter Klocker. He plays the Sonatas on an Oehler in Bb, and the Trio and Quintet on another maker's A clarinet, and I think he sounds noticeably better on the Oehler.
Ken Shaw
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Author: kenb
Date: 2005-05-11 21:18
Those Oskar Oehlers were owned by a guy who was one of the solo clarinets of the Berlin Philharmonic prior to ww2, and later solo clarinet at the Berlin Opera.
There are some pics and more history (in German) of these on the ad, if it's still up. Beautiful-looking bits of machinery, well worth a look.
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