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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2005-04-27 18:36
I just heard the public radio station replay the local symphony's performance of "Pines of Rome" from a couple of weeks ago. About those chirping birds in the third movement -- when you get the score, does it come with a CD or tape with the bird sound effects? Surely they're not written in somebody's part -- they sound too real.
Just something I'm now wondering about.
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Author: Susan
Date: 2005-04-27 19:40
The band arrangement, at least, comes with a nightingale recording. When I was in college, I was the band librarian and had to know where that record was kept. I imagine they've switched to a CD by now. I don't know what comes with the actual orchestra version. I do know that our local orchestra substituted a different recording. It's always real birds, though - not anything in anyone's part.
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2005-04-27 19:58
Although of no relevance to the question, I always thought it would be fun to record a goose honking and substitute that recording for the 'proper' nightingale sounds........
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Author: Brenda
Date: 2005-04-27 20:04
At the very least it sounds like a great idea for a final rehearsal! It should wake up the oboe players.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2005-04-27 20:45
How about the coocoo [sp?] part, not as "far-off" as a goose or duck, it still broke up our cl'ist ! Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2005-04-27 20:54
The Respighi score specifies a particular (78 rpm) record of nightingale song, which I assume is used on the older recordings. I've heard many recordings of Pines, and the birdsong is never the same.
Ken Shaw
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Author: diz
Date: 2005-04-27 22:13
Ken ... you're spot on, in fact Respighi identifies the type of bird and the album which it is recorded on ... I think there needs to be local versions, kookaburras would be the go in Oz
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: John Stackpole
Date: 2005-04-28 02:20
And, of course, with "Pines of Rome" the tuning and tone are not so important......
Its the pitch that counts.
JDS
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2005-04-28 13:08
Thanks for the responses.
What recordings do you recommend? I have an old LP recording with Karajan and the Philharmonia that's so-so. My college library has the Montreal/Dutoit CD that lots of people at Amazon have raved about, but they play it too fast -- maybe everyone had a bus to catch. I heard on the radio last week the opening to the Pittsburgh/Maazel version, and that sounded good.
Recommendations? A nice clarinet solo and unrushed tempo are musts!
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2005-04-28 14:39
The best recording of the solo I've heard is by Ralph McLane on a 1946 Columbia monaural LP, ML 4020, with Ormandy and the Philadelphia Orchestra. My copy is very scratchy, and it's hard to find in the used record stores, but it's a great performance.
I learned the piece from the Toscanini/NBC Orchestra recording, http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000003EWU/qid=1114697977/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/002-7764452-6447206?v=glance&s=classical, on which my teacher, Alexander Williams, plays the solo, very well I think. The enormous crescendo in The Pines of the Appian Way, representing the Roman soldiers marching, is the most thrilling version I know of.
The Reiner/Chicago recording is famous. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000003FUG/qid=1114698536/sr=2-3/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_3/002-7764452-6447206. Before the reissue on the CD, a pristine "shaded dog" first pressing was worth over $1,000. Sony is reissuing the Living Stereo recordings on SACD, which should be even better, though I don't think this one is out yet.
Ken Shaw
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-04-30 03:12
I just checked my score.
The score to the Pines of Rome specifies "Concert Record Gramophone" #1605 Il Canto dell'usignolo.
It is notated in the full score on a separate line with the abbreviation "Grf"...GBK
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