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Author: Dano
Date: 2005-04-23 06:49
My Vintage R-13,( that is to say the new vintage r-13) is very difficult to take apart after playing. I keep thinking I am going to bend the keys just trying to remove the barrel or the middle section. It does not seem that the cork is too thick. It seems to be the wood that fits too tightly. It is difficult to assemble also. Cork grease does not help at all. My clarinet repair person says it is typical of many R-13's. Anyone experience this and find a solution to this problem?
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2005-04-23 06:57
Try a search here on words like [tight tenon].
There is a heap of discussion and opinion.
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Author: Buster Brown
Date: 2005-04-23 13:27
I purchased a new Vintage R13 about a year ago. Center joint was very tight. Some minor wiggling would loosen the joint. The problem had nothing to do with the cork. The exposed wood above the cork (upper section) was slightly large. Rather than attempting to sand a small amount off or having a technician work on it, I simply used the horn. After about two months the problem went away. I assume the wood was worn away with use.
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Author: chito
Date: 2005-04-23 13:43
I purchased a new vintage R13 last month and its the same problem
the joint is to tight. I think you shoud bring it to your thecnician .
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2005-04-23 15:59
I ran into an English woodwind technician's web site (lost it, of course) who claims that ALL current Buffets are too tight in the center joint.
Bob Phillips
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-04-23 16:39
As someone who has purchased a number of new R-13's in the 1960's, 1970's and 1980's (yes...I own many R-13's) I have never experienced a tenon joint which became too snug over time.
To me this seems to be more of a recent (past 20 years) occurrence with Buffet clarinets.
Perhaps just another side effect of wood, which by Buffet, has not been sufficiently aged and stabilized? ...GBK
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Author: msloss
Date: 2005-04-23 17:40
For the NJ clarinet symposium, I assembled and tested in excess of 30 Buffets, including Vintage, R13, Prestige and Tosca instruments. I think only one of them bound a little bit at the bell and none at the center tenon. Prior to that (about a month previously) I had gone through another 8 Bb and 10 A R13s and had only one bind at the tenon and one at the bell. Over the last year I have gone through well more than 100 Buffet clarinets and found very few instances of binding up, even after they swelled from playing.
It isn't a big deal if the tenon-socket junction binds. Just take it to a qualified technician and have him or her take just a little bit of wood off and it'll be fine.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2005-04-23 19:29
Same thing happened to me with an R13 a couple of years ago. The President of the dealership I bought it from made no effort to have it fixed. I declined to keep it.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Dano
Date: 2005-04-24 03:01
Thanks for all the info. I think I will send it off to my tech and have him do his thing on it. The worse part about it is that it is the best horn I have ever played. Just a magical instrument that happened to be almost made just for my personal taste. I tried several Vintage R-13's when I bought it and even though this one had the binding problem, it was the the best clarinet I had played, bar none. I don't look forward to not being able to play it for even one day.
Dano.
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Author: clarisax
Date: 2005-04-25 02:26
i had the same problem with my buffet festival i got last summer. for a while i just didnt push my middle joint all the way together. i took it to a tech to get a cork pad put in one of the trill keys that was leaking and he said it was nothing to worry about and that i would probably have to pull it out a little for intonation reasons anyway. about a month ago i got tired of having a little gap there so i starting forcing the joints together. after repeatedly doing this for several weeks the joints dont stick. the tech said that most of the new buffets have this problem.
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Author: Cindy
Date: 2005-04-25 04:17
This is a problem for me too! The center joint is tight on my R-13. I was considering having the wood shaved. However, in the summer the joints fit fine, so if I shave it I'd be worried that it wouldn't seal later. I'm sorry you're having the same problem, it's really annoying!
So many instruments to play........so little time to play them!
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2005-04-25 07:27
It will seal just fine. The cork takes care of that.
However the joint may wobble just slightly more, probably imperceptibly.
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Author: Mike Clarinet
Date: 2005-04-27 08:46
My RC had the same problem whan new last June. I thought at first it was just new cork making it tight. I took it back to the shop where I bought it and their tech said it was too tight and you could feel wood grating against wood at both ends of the top joint. They adjusted it and it has been fine since.
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Author: contragirl
Date: 2005-04-27 15:26
I have an ongoing problem with my bell getting stuck from a tenon that was too big. My tech did a little sanding and it was fine. I don't suggest sanding the joint yourself, just cuz you could take off too much or make it uneven, but the tech would know best in this case if you have to sand or not. But it's best to get it check out before your joints get really stuck.
--CG
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Author: Jenab
Date: 2005-04-27 21:09
My Vandoren B44 had been recorked and the tenon was tight when putting it in the barrel for a while. But after a few hundred ins and outs, it adjusted somehow. I did use cork grease a lot. I think some of it must have "worked in."
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