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Author: Marcowelby
Date: 2005-02-16 21:56
I am playing a few partition which have 5 notes per beat for a few measures. How do you count when practicing? Do you just adjust yourself with a metronome and forget about counting.? What to do if there are 6 notes per beats?
Thanks
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-02-16 22:05
For counting 5 notes to the beat (or 5/4 time), I like using the reminder words cafeteria or pharmaceutical...GBK
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Author: music_is_life
Date: 2005-02-16 22:17
wait- do you mean 5/4 time or 5 notes on one beat? if it is the latter, then...um...spread them out over one beat. make sure you play them all on one beat- dont swallow anything but don't play them two slowly. they're like 4 sixteenth notes....+one, so it's a bit faster.
if you mean 5/4 time... you got me. I just kind of go with what the band is doing at the time. I'm not all that great with 5/4 time.
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2005-02-16 22:40
GBK,
Is it musically acceptable to play the five notes as "sixteenth, sixteenth, triplet" pattern (with the last three slightly faster than the first two)? It seems to me that this would give the impression of rushing. I often try to make it as even as possible, but I've heard many people say to think of it as two sixteenths and a triplet.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Robert Moody
Date: 2005-02-16 22:41
You are about to get 101 ways to realize the 5-tuplets. I personally use "hippopotamus" where the first syllable "hip" always lands on the metronome tick. Just say any of the words that people offer where the beginning of the word aligns with the tick and the rest of the syllables are evenly said between.
I have a pet peeve about 6-tuplets that I usually keep quite about but feel I might offer here. There are three ways to think about 6-tuplets that fit 99.9% of those used:
· Three groups of two notes evenly divided over a triplet of the next slower rhythm.
· Two groups of three notes evenly divided over a tuplet of the next slower rhythm.
· One continuous flow of even notes where the first note is the only one emphasized in any manner.
If you have any intention of playing 6-tuplets as the composer intended, then you need to be aware of the prevalent rhythmic feeling around and underlying the 6-tuplets.
If the prevalent feeling in the music is a triplet feel like 3/8, 6/8 or 9/8 (however notated or accomplished) then you should play the 6-tuplets like groups of two notes aligning with the triplet-feel underneath.
If the prevalent feeling in the music is duple (i.e. quarters, eighths, sixteenth subdivisions) then you should play the 6-tuplets like two groups of triplets where each group aligns with underlying two-feel.
Lastly, if there is no prevalent rhythmic feel in the music surrounding the 6-tuplet or the feel itself is an odd grouping like 5-tuplets, 7-tuplets, etc., then you should play the 6-tuplets with no rhythmic emphasis where all the notes feel evenly played.
The composer will notate if they want something outside of these rules—for the most part. Sometimes they even write out the rules for you because they have seen the same thing that peeves me: People do not understand 6-tuplets! ![[right]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie8.gif)
Stepping off soapbox
Robert Moody
http://www.musix4me.com
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2005-02-16 22:49
Robert Moody,
Excellent description of the duple/triplet rhythms and how to think of subdividing in them.
Don't know if you know it, but for a GREAT (possible one of the BEST) examples of switching between the duplet and triplet rhythms is the song "America" from West Side Story . . . Quote:
I like the shores of America!
Comfort is yours in America!
Knobs on the doors in America,
Wall-to-wall floors in America!
Rhythm (with the beat on the bold part) is, "Triplet, Triplet, 1 & 2 & 3 &".
A great example to show for those who want to hear the difference.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
Post Edited (2005-02-16 22:51)
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Author: ohsuzan
Date: 2005-02-17 02:49
Curses!
Now my irrepressible internal metronome is going to be pounding out that rhythm all night, Alexi!
ya-ta-da ya-ta-da YA TA DA
ya-ta-da ya-ta-da YA TA DA
ya-ta-da ya-ta-da YA TA DA
ya-ta-da ya-ta-da YA TA DA
ya-ta-da ya-ta-da YA TA DA
ya-ta-da ya-ta-da YA TA DA
ya-ta-da ya-ta-da YA TA DA
Aarrgghh!
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Author: contragirl
Date: 2005-02-17 06:25
hippopotamus.
5 tuplet then quarter= hippopotamus pie
hipp-o-pot-a-mus pieeee
Sight singing teacher told us "hippopotamus," but "hippopotamus pie" worked best for me.
--CG
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Author: BobD
Date: 2005-02-17 12:39
If you had played 5 beat music all your life you would have trouble with 4 beats.....
Bob Draznik
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2005-02-17 15:04
Rather than fussing about counting the notes, try to pace yourself so that you arrive on the downbeat after the 5-plet. To get the feel of this, put down your clarinet and try conducting it with your right hand. ONE two one two three ONE. You'll (hopefully) notice a push toward the "ONE" of the next downbeat, which helps to give you a sense of where to direct the energy. Also, be sure not to rush off the first note.
Actually, I recommend conducting (even if you have no conducting chops... just wave your hand for the beats) through any piece in which you have trouble finding your way. You'll get a much better sense of where things are going.
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2005-02-17 17:43
Try Bulgarian music...
Nothing like a good ol' Buchimish (15/16) for fun and games!
Katrina
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Author: music_is_life
Date: 2005-02-17 20:53
ralph G! I was so sure that you were my clarinet teacher- recommending sting! ha ha. :D
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