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Author: mhbstevens
Date: 2005-01-19 00:45
In real, subjective terms, as far as ease of playing and the quality/intonation of the sound, will someone knowegable of the Buffet line try to describe the difference between the Intermeadiate E11 and the Pro R13. I'm playing a B12 now.
AND why no Greeline E11? Seems to me students are more in need of a stable hard wearing clarinet than pros are.
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2005-01-19 01:20
As to no greenline E-11--there are lots of plastic student line instruments (such as your B-12) on the market and I'm sure Buffet probably thinks that covers the market.
Also, the new Forte is about as good a plastic type instrument as you could get at much cheaper cost than a greenline E-11 would be.
The main difference between the E-11 and the R-13 is the quality of wood and undercutting of tone holes and a few other "upgrades." You might do a search on this board for some more opinions, this topic has been covered a few times.
An E-11 would be a step-up from your B-12 and would probably be good enough until you entered the higher levels of playing.
Guess I'm a bit tired this evening, but have faith many others will post what you really need to hear.
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Author: elmo lewis
Date: 2005-01-20 00:18
I have had 4 students who played the E11. I think it is an excellent horn for the money and perfect for a student who wants to move up from a plastic beginner's clarinet but doesn't want to pay the big bucks for an R13 or a Prestige.
You can get a very nice sound from the E11 but it will not be as smooth and as centered a sound as an R13. Also, the R13 will keep a nice sound when playing very loud. The E11 tends to become harsh when played too loud.
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Author: mhbstevens
Date: 2005-01-20 14:55
Brenda:
Buffet say the Greenline is nothing like plastic but exactly equvalent to Grenadilla wood. They say the wood and Greenline r13's are indistiquishable so your plastic argument does to fly with me unless the Buffet story is just hype.
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Author: mhbstevens
Date: 2005-01-20 15:00
Elmo:
As I said to Brenda, Buffet say the Greenline R13 is indistinguishable from the grenadill R13. If this is so then the differences between the R13 and the E11 can not be the wood UNLESS greenline is better than E11 wood, in which case it seems student instruments should be using it if Buffet is serious about conservation.
Maybe the Greenline is NOT as good as wood in the R13? I'm told wood R13's are very inconsistant - good ones and bad ones. The Greeline being machine made should not have this variation in instruments. Is this true?
Thanks,
Mike
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2005-01-20 15:10
Mike, I did not make myself clear--as I said, I was very tired at the time of the writing. I did not mean to imply that a plastic and a greenline instrument would sound the same--or be the same. What I meant was that the greenline and the plastic both have the same feature in regards to cracking--the greenline will not crack, and thus most players who buy greenline are taking that into consideration when they purchase a greenline instrument. I have owned 2 greenline R-13s and many, many wood R-13s. The greenline is definitely a better instrument than a plastic, and also is much more expensive--it has the same price as a regular wooden R-13. But, I was meaning to point out the durability factor in the plastic and the greenline--not sound quality or anything else.
Your question was "Why no greenline E-11?" That's a question no one but Buffet can answer--but I was speculating as to the fact that perhaps they thought they didn't need one because they have a good plastic product in the B-12 and perhaps think people buying a student line instrument wouldn't be interested in paying for a greenline E-11. But, I don't know why there is no greenline E-11.
The greenline R-13 is an excellent, excellent instrument. A good one is a truly good find. Their tone, however, is more inflexible than the standard wooden R-13--because the materials (although made from wood) are more compact and unchanging.
I recommend you do a search on this board for greenline R-13 and see what you come up with. It's been discussed at great length in the past.
In fact, here's one to start you off:
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=84449&t=84369
Post Edited (2005-01-20 19:00)
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