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Author: sgrubbs
Date: 2004-10-27 03:07
Does anyone have any ideas how to fix students who tongue and their chin moves up and down? Using a mirror, talking about just the tip of the tongue moving, moving the tongue just slightly back from the reed have all been talked about. I am out of ideas. Thanks in advance.
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2004-10-27 04:52
Have the students say "tee" because in order to say that, only the tip of your tongue moves. It also introduces the "eee" back-of-tongue position which is invaluable for a focused sound.
Katrina
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Author: OpusII
Date: 2004-10-27 05:59
Using the mirror is a smart idea, let them be aware that they're mouth is doing a strange marathon while playing.
Be sure that they use they're tongue!
Let them stretch their chin al the way down (holding the mouthpiece of course in their mouth) while playing, you will see that it is impossible to move your chin this way....that's the way I learned it to....
Personally I don't hit the reed al the way on the tip and I have enough speed to outplay many people, so don't be to hard on this point...
Post Edited (2004-10-27 13:18)
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Author: Dee
Date: 2004-10-27 13:16
Try having them tongue the open G while they hold one of their own hands on their jaw. This will allow them to feel the movement.
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2004-10-27 14:32
I learned this tip at a Howard Klug Seminar:
Have the student tougue quickly which makes it almost impossible to move the jaw while tonguing and work to slow it down without moving the jaw.
What I do (my own technique) is to tape their jaw. Ttake a piece of scotch clear (NOT DUCT) tape and go from right under the ear to the other ear. The jaw can't move without feeling the tape move a LOT - they begin to seperate the tongue motion from the jaw motion which is the goal.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2004-10-27 15:49
"Chewing" is a difficult habit to break. Start with something the student can do with nothing in his mouth, and work slowly from there.
First, have her say something that involves no jaw movement -- say, fiddle-diddle-diddle-diddle.
Then have him move to the first verse of "Deck the halls," doing the fast FA LA LA LA LA with no jaw movement. If you see jaw movement, have him put his index and middle fingers lightly on the hinges of his jaw, in front of his ears and learn to do the LAs just with the tongue.
Have her say a very light LA LA LA LA, with the area just back of the tip of her tongue just brushing the ridge of the hard palate or teeth, making sure she feels no jaw movement under her fingers. If this gives her trouble, tell her "try to say LA, but miss, so your tongue doesn't touch anything." When she gets the feeling of doing that, have her move her tongue forward gradually so it just brushes the palate ridge.
Another possibility is to have him put the tip of his tongue between his lips, and then withdraw it and puff out as if he were trying to spit out a blade of grass, once again checking to make sure there is not jaw movement.
Then progress to a small and light, non-clarinet object -- say a ball-point pen. Have her hold it in her left hand, with a relaxed grip (thumb and 2 fingers), make a very relaxed, "nothing" embouchure and insert the top end of the pen into it. Have her put her right fingers on her jaw hinge and work on the LA movement, intentionally missing the tip of the pen, and then gradually moving forward so her tongue just brushes it.
Then do it with the mouthpiece and barrel, held in his left a fist, with his right hand fingers checking for jaw movement.
Then putthe barrel and mouthpiece back on the clarinet, but still hold it in her left fist. Then do it with normal hand postition.
Keep everything light.
Let us know how things progress.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: sgrubbs
Date: 2004-10-28 01:42
Thank you. I have a couple of students who I am going to try David Blumberg and Ken Shaw's ideas with. I have already tried the first two posters' suggestions. I'll get back with you in a few weeks to let you know if it's working. Thanks again for the suggestions.
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