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Author: psychotic lil clarinet girl (don't as
Date: 2004-10-05 23:06
Clarinets and parts are important and all, but ultimately it is the person playing who makes the sound, not the reed or the instrument... Seeing as how most of y'all have been playing longer than I have, haven't you come to this realization yet? I mean all I see is which mouthpiece, ligature, barrel, brand name, etc... is better. Very rarely do I see topics about musicianship and stuff... Are the instruments in control of us or are we in control of them?! Just something I've noticed...
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Author: hans
Date: 2004-10-06 00:35
"Are the instruments in control of us or are we in control of them?!"
Clearly, the instruments are in control.
Regards,
Hans
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Author: psychotic lil clarinet girl (don't as
Date: 2004-10-06 00:55
"Clearly, the instruments are in control."
yes... that was what I was afraid of... hehe....
I haven't been around long enough to see any threads on this kind of matter... or at least I don't remember seeing any...
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Author: ron b
Date: 2004-10-06 05:18
Hmmm...
I think most of us have come to the same realization, Mary, and I agree with you; I prefer discussing music making. As others have pointed out though, having your equipment in good working order is foundationally important as well. Once the instrument is working properly you should, ideally, be able to forget about it and concentrate on making music with it.
I hope I'm not a lone dissenter but, in my little corner of my little world, I control the instrument. No excuses, no exceptions.
There are lots of past discussions about musicianship, performance, ensemble playing, improvisation, interpretation, doubling and on and on. A recent thread about ligatures. Hans' "Hose Clamp Ligature" is but a small part of the discussion's primary focus... musical performance 
- ron b -
Post Edited (2004-10-06 05:24)
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Author: starlight
Date: 2004-10-06 07:45
good equipment means better sound/projection, which ultimietely leads back into musicianship
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Author: Phat Cat
Date: 2004-10-06 09:17
It's much easier to express opinions about set-up than it is to practice long tones.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2004-10-06 13:40
"Mary,Mary, quite contrary, how does your garden grow".....Why do you write about the things you do?
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2004-10-06 14:11
"Playing" is subjective and difficult to discuss in words. "Clarinet parts" are easy to describe, compare and inform others about. I believe I can teach you factual things about equipment, but musicianship is something you need to learn on your own, by doing.
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Author: LeWhite
Date: 2004-10-06 14:13
Well in theory this is a clarinet board, not a 'musicianship' board.
We talk about clarinet parts because the aim is to improve - and you can improve without any practise if you can get your set-up 'correct'.
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2004-10-06 15:11
Good point Mary...without digressing too much professional working in music is quite a tough job and requires immense amounts of practice and patience.
As to talking about performing I would say I spend very little time outside of music...so I do like to relax and go without saying too much. The forum here is also a basic discussion...a great teacher is where one should head instead of simply reading and learning in this manner.
Great performers all usually have spent years studying and working on there style...it is something that just can't be written down in a PARAGRAPH...
few people imagine it but a great teacher will give you far more than you realize.. my studies with Harold Wright went far beyond etudes and dull practice. His teaching style is what influenced my playing and for me to discuss that here is to undermine what my own private students pay me for.....one does have to make a living.
As to talk, open discussion can certainly alert a player to new ideas and I feel it is very beneficial....
With too many musicians there is an inability to play their part, so instead they gossip, party, indulge in politics...and miss the boat. Then we have the downward spiral...etc...
I do think alot of players simply give up and stay at one level though...
David Dow
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2004-10-06 15:33
I could impart a great deal more about musicianship by pushing down on someone's finger on a certain note than I could on a page of rambling here. It's hard to put into words. Who was it that said "writing about music is like dancing about architecture"?
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2004-10-06 15:54
EEBaum wrote:
> Who was
> it that said "writing about music is like dancing about
> architecture"?
Good question. Laurie Anderson, Elvis Costello, and Frank Zappa have said it publically. I wonder who invented it, though ... it sure sounds like a Zappaism.
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Author: Ed
Date: 2004-10-06 16:18
you could probably spend quite a time doing a search on that quote. There seems to be a lot of people taking credit for it. What I found so far:
http://home.pacifier.com/~ascott/they/tamildaa.htm
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Author: psychotic lil clarinet girl (don't as
Date: 2004-10-06 21:25
thanks for the links.... I just don't see y'all talk too much about it, and it is hard to describe.... But now I see y'all talk about it more than I thought... It's just an observation I made...
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Author: msloss
Date: 2004-10-06 21:59
Attributed to Thelonius Monk too. All paths seem to lead back to Stravinsky though. No matter what, it is oh so true.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2004-10-07 23:08
One of the gems of wisdom that I've uncovered in my 75 years on this planet is that you just never know where you will learn something....
Bob Draznik
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Author: Tom J.
Date: 2004-10-07 23:32
EEBaum wrote:
> Who was it that said "writing about music is like dancing about
> architecture"?
Here is a source that references the qoute:
http://home.pacifier.com/~ascott/they/tamildaa.htm
Personally, I prefer to paraphrase Norman Schwartzkopf when tempted to prattle on about music:
"Talking about music is like deer hunting with an accordion"
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Author: CPW
Date: 2004-10-08 02:59
Ideally we should all be practising rather than prattling.
But sometimes it is nice just to just clear our heads before taking on another task in the "real" world. Posting here takes the place of a coffee break, seeing a shrink, snorting a substance, or whatever.
It fulfills a need in that it provides a common interest and venue for conversing with other wizards......and, it does no harm.
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Author: Tom J.
Date: 2004-10-08 17:47
I agree with CPW who said :
"it provides a common interest and venue for conversing with other wizards......and, it does no harm."
In fact, sarcasm aside, "deer hunting with an accordion" can at times be very stimulating and creative.
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