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 J.T.L. A Clarinet.
Author: Yallie 
Date:   2000-01-13 03:56

I am tying to find the value of an A clarinet which has the letters J.T.L. on it followed by Paris New York. It is in very good condition.

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 RE: J.T.L. A Clarinet.
Author: Dave Spiegelthal 
Date:   2000-01-13 13:47

I think J.T.L is Jerome Thibouville-Lamy, a good French maker going back to the mid- or late-1800's (someone who really knows, please correct me if I'm wrong!). We'd need more details to take a guess as to what it's worth: condition, features, etc.

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 RE: J.T.L. A Clarinet.
Author: Mark Charette 
Date:   2000-01-13 13:58

Dave Spiegelthal wrote:
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I think J.T.L is Jerome Thibouville-Lamy, a good French maker going back to the mid- or late-1800's (someone who really knows, please correct me if I'm wrong!).
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I already got this question via email and will post the complete info on this manufacturer either later today or Saturday - there is a good sized article in <i>The New Langwill Index</i>.. Your memory is correct; the clarinets were also labelled "Jetel" (from the initials).

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 RE: J.T.L. A Clarinet.
Author: Don Berger 
Date:   2000-01-13 16:33

I'm sure Mark's Langwill will have the most info, I'll add what I have. Under "Makers" in Rendall are listed 3 Thibouville enterprises, Andre, successor to Bie' Paris 1886 ; T-Cabart,J-B, T was subsequently omitted,Paris and Ezy, 1869; T-Lamy,J'er'ome, Paris and London, 1867-, making it sound as if Jerome were a first name [doubtful]. One of my oldest Muller-Alberts [no upper joint rings] says Ch. Jerome on the UJ and on the bell [may not be the original!] says [on 3 lines] Jerome Thibouville Lamy, with a unclear signature [actual craftsman?] below, and "honors" decorations. No ser no, unreadable stamp on barrel, no "B" or"LP". For whats it worth, interesting!! Don

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 RE: J.T.L. A Clarinet.
Author: Yallie 
Date:   2000-01-14 15:09

I am going to try to get some good photos of it. I don't really know enough about clarinets to notice unusual features. One thing that strikes me as odd though is on bottom there are only 2 keys where I am used to seeing 4. This is the same on both the Buffet and JTL. I am assuming it has to do with the age.

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 RE: J.T.L. A Clarinet.
Author: Yallie 
Date:   2000-01-14 15:16

One more thing... There is the letter 'A' stamped on both main body peices near or between keys. This is where I got the impression it was an A. Please let me know if I am mistaken.


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 RE: J.T.L. A Clarinet.
Author: Dave Spiegelthal 
Date:   2000-01-14 19:46

The two lower right-hand keys (instead of the usual four) seem to indicate that it's an Albert system instrument, instead of the modern Boehm system (especially if those two keys have rollers on them).

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 RE: J.T.L. A Clarinet.
Author: Yallie 
Date:   2000-01-14 21:30

No Rollers on the JTL... the Buffet has only 2 keys as well and they do in fact have rollers on them.

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 RE: J.T.L. A Clarinet.
Author: Dee 
Date:   2000-01-14 23:00

The Alberts seem to split as to whether they have rollers on the levers for the right hand joint. Earlier Alberts tended not to have rollers even on higher level clarinets. Later Alberts did have rollers even on the lower grade instruments. Like anything else there seems to have been a transition where high grade horns and the feature and lower grade instruments did not.

If the A is by itself it could mean it is an A clarinet. The overall length with mouthpiece and without mouthpiece cap should be over 27" (a Bb is just over 26").

However if the inscription reads "A Paris" for example it means "from Paris."

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