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Author: theclarinetist
Date: 2004-09-24 02:39
My copy of the Mozart Trio came with an alternate violin part that could be used in place of the clarinet. Does anyone know of a recording of this piece played with violin/viola? Thanks
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Author: diz
Date: 2004-09-24 03:36
Frankly, having violin play instead of clarinet in this is just wrong. Mozart's scoring is perfect in every regard.
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2004-09-24 03:51
In case I haven't mentioned it enough (! ), my group does this work with clarinet, violin (had to switch some lines around) and ACCORDION!!!
Woooohooooo!
But to answer your question, no I don't know of any recordings with vln/vla/pno...I suspect there may be one on Naxos, but have no hard facts to support that....
Katrina
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Author: claclaws
Date: 2004-09-24 12:46
GBK,
I'm so glad we don't have to use the original score...Even with the clean and neatly typed version, though, it will take me years to play it correctly, at least.. But I love Kegelstatt so much!^^
Lucy Lee Jang
Post Edited (2004-09-24 13:51)
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Author: theclarinetist
Date: 2004-09-24 17:49
The Kegelstatt is incredibly easy for clarinet. I mean, it isn't easy per se, but if can play the concerto or quintet, you can play the trio in your sleep... I was thinking of trying it on violin next semester with my string teacher because it would be a better challenge. However, we're probably going to play it on clarinet too just for kicks.
DH
theclarinetist@yahoo.com
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Author: Alphie
Date: 2004-09-24 18:09
Isn't it fantastic that there are musicians in this world who find Mozart easy! I admire them so much. I'll never get passed that stage. I think I'll try Nielsen on my kazoo next year, just for the challange of it.
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Author: theclarinetist
Date: 2004-09-25 07:17
I would hope that any clarinetists at or above a college level (which I realize not everyone here is) wouldn't get too tripped up by the Mozart Trio. Obviously, we all know that any piece of music can be difficult to play perfectly, but as far as the clarinet rep goes, the Mozart Trio isn't exactly up there on difficulty... It's technical demands are well below most serious level pieces (It's certainly much more easier Mozart's other clarinet works... it's also much easier than anything written for clarinet by Weber, Brahms, or other prolific clarinet composers - I would say it's only slightly harder than Stamitz 3, which I've had more than one 8th grader play for solo/ensemble, and get 1s). Personally, I don't buy the argument that Mozart is more difficult because you have to "phrase it better" than other composer's music. In my opinion, all music (no matter who wrote it) requires careful attention to tone, phrasing, etc. I don't mean to offend you if think the Moz Trio hard, but at the same time (sensing some sarcasm there), I don't feel it's arrogant to say that it's easy either (if we were talking about Francaix or Nielsen, it would be a different story).
DHite
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Author: RAMman
Date: 2004-09-25 10:36
I believe this is quite common.
The Beethoven op. 11 trio also has a violin part for those trios who don't like/know a clarinettist!!
I'll also concur with what others have said....anyone who thinks Mozart is easy perhaps needs to look at it again. The slow movement of the concerto doesn't contain 9000 notes per square inch, but can anyone call that easy?
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Author: theclarinetist
Date: 2004-09-25 14:43
I disagree that if you think a Mozart piece is at the easier end of the repertoire, that you are somehow "missing" something. Again, any piece of music (particularly a slow piece) requires an attention to tonal control, tuning, phrasing, etc, which can be challenging. However (assuming you have those things relatively developed), applying those skills to a piece like the slow movement of the Moz Concerto is MUCH easier than applying them to a slow movement of another big name Concerto's slow movement, such as Copland, Corigliano, Weber 2, etc. The assumption that anyone who doesn't think the Mozart is incredibly difficult must just be hamfisting their way through it like a robot with no attention to details is ridiculous. The goal of playing an instrument is to develop enough skills that a piece like the slow mov of the Mozart can be played well with relative ease. When a person has done that (to some degree), why is the assumption made that he/she is either lying or has missed something? If you've played/practiced clarinet for a number of years and still struggle with the fundamentals required to play the slow mov of the mozart, I think that is equal reason for concern!
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Author: RAMman
Date: 2004-09-25 15:36
Technically....to play the Mozart trio or concerto slow movement is easier than Copland, agreed. The harder technical elements of Copland speak for themselves (not sure if I can agree with Weber 2 mind...)
I think you've missed the point. It's all about interpretation. If you just play Mozart 'by the numbers' then you've potentially missed its magic.
I don't doubt that you can play all the notes, with a good range of dynamics, the articulation in the right places, and a nice sound.
A beautiful and inspiring performance of Mozart has the potential to bring a tear to your eye. This is achieved with something more than just playing the notes. If this wasn't the case...everybody would have recorded/performed the concerto and brought a tear to peoples' eye.
I believe (in my very humble opinion)....that in Weber 2 as an example....that the virtuosity can speak for itself, and create a convincing performance without a serious consideration of the content of the piece. I would suggest that other works such as Mozart seriously lack something without a huge amount of thought being put into the performance.
Oh, and why the sudden personal touch added? For all you know I could be Andrew Marriner.
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Author: idahofats
Date: 2004-09-25 16:27
Nothing to add to the musical discussion, but a bit of semantics (in hopes of avoiding a catfight) on theclarinetist vs. RAMman thread. RAM, I believe you are British, while theclarinetist is in Texas. When we Yanks say "you" we often don't mean "you" personally, but rather a generic "one." An American speaking to another American in terms such as "if one played..." comes off sounding pretentious.
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Author: RAMman
Date: 2004-09-25 18:43
Indeed...a case of crossed wires. Clarinetist and I have exchanged e-mails.
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