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Author: Pat Boyle
Date: 2004-09-22 19:24
Is there a fingering or other technique which will produce the equivalent of a Chalumeau D?
Thank you
PJB
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Author: Dee
Date: 2004-09-22 21:10
You must be speaking of a D below the lowest note available on the clarinet. Keep in mind that the D just below the staff is in the chalumeau so you need to be more precise in defining what note you really mean.
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Author: mkybrain
Date: 2004-09-22 21:23
is that actually even possible, doesnt the E take full advantage of the length of the clarinet?
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Author: marcia
Date: 2004-09-22 21:32
I have heard tell there is a piece that calls for the bassoon to play a note lower than it is made for. Apparently this is achieved by the cor anglais player putting his bell into the end of the bassoon. I'm not sure if my leg was being pulled then, but the story came from a reputable source. Perhaps similar could be done to produce the desired note on the clarinet.
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Author: Henry
Date: 2004-09-22 21:37
A chalumeau D is a breeze.
It always comes out with such ease!
So what is the question we ponder?
Alternative fingering? I wonder.
Just be more specific, Pat. Please!
Henry
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Author: GBK
Date: 2004-09-22 23:01
You don't need a judicial review.
For D, finger: thumb, one and two.
An octave lower?
Then I must think slower,
'Cause I haven't a clue what to do...GBK
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Author: hans
Date: 2004-09-23 01:44
With the sax, you can put your foot in the bell to lower the tone but I haven't tried it with a clarinet.
I recall an earlier post though, where someone used a piece of ABS pipe to make their clarinet a little longer. That might work if you are sitting down with the pipe between your knees....
Hans
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2004-09-23 02:07
Hi,
My old college sax professor was a bassoon player and he used to do a thing with a rolled up piece on cardboard in the end of his bassoon to get a low A (the low Bb was a goner as you would skip from low B to A by using teh low Bb fingering.
I suspect that you could achieve the same thing on a clarinet if you used some heavy stock paper, rolled it, and extended the length to try for the lower note. The only problem would be that the couple of note above would not be available.
When trying to get a low D
It won't work by using your knee
Grab some cardboard to roll
And extend the bell hole
Do we really need that low a key?
HRL
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2004-09-23 05:25
If you don't have to play it in context (have a few measures on each side at least), pull all the joints way out? I've gotten my Bb clarinet to sound like a grossy out of tune A just by pulling the barrel as far as it could go without falling apart. With the other joints out, you should hit a D, no problem.
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2004-09-23 14:19
You can get a bassoon with a low A extension, but they are rare.
The English horn bell in the top of the bassoon trick s used for the last note of the Nielsen Quintet, which calls for low A. Since the piece calls for English horn, the bell is always available. I'm not sure whether you have to have a bell without a key on it.
The note is not great -- very blatty even when Sol Schoenbach played it on the Philadelphia Quintet recording. Many bassoonists take a cardboard tube from the inaide of a paper towel roll, paint it black or brown, cut it to length and put it in the end of the bassoon.
Incidentally, the Danish Wind Quintet, for whom Nielsen wrote the piece, made a recording, and the bassoonist played the final note up an octave.
It shouldn't be difficult to do the cardboard tube trick on clarinet, particularly if you make a diagonal slit in the end of the tube and curl it to match the inside shape fo the bell.
On sax, the usual trick is to drop the mouthpiece cap down the bell, or, for the baritone sax, a shoe. You could also try resting the clarinet bell on your knee and hanging a shoe over it. A somewhat more dignified substitute would be to play into a hat mute that jazz trumpeters use, or perhaps use a harmon mute or other type of trumpet mute. You'll always get funny looks and make strange sounds, but you're doing something strange, so learn to live with it.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Alphie
Date: 2004-09-24 17:50
Greetings from Tokyo, on tour with The Royal Stockholm Philharmonic after a concert in the Suntory Hall.
The Berio Sequenza calls for a low Eb. If you don't have a full Boehm clarinet most people that I know usually use a piece of hose of the right dimention in the bell.
The coolest solution for the the bassoon in the Nielsen quintett is to roll the music during the few measures rest near the end and put it in the bell. The audience usually love that.
Alphie
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Author: Don Poulsen
Date: 2004-09-24 17:51
I haven't worried quite yet
About how low I can get.
I've three fingerings, you see
To play that low D
On my extended-range bass clarinet.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2004-09-24 18:33
Great comment, Alphie, and congrats, hope all goes well. Fine poetry, I've tried some "tube low notes" on my Eb bass cl, fun, not too good ! Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2004-09-24 18:51
Ken,
That's really cool. It makes me want to go fire up a Heckle or Fox fagotti ASAP. And less than $10 although Karl Witzler, my old teacher, would have been too cheap to have spent that even much even in 1957 dollars!
HRL
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2004-09-24 22:53
Is it 'concert pitch' if not by a basset clarinet.
Peter Cigleris
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