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Author: Squirrel
Date: 2004-09-14 10:05
Has anyone played this arrangement? I love the original and I'm thinking of seeing if I can get it arranged with some of the other clarinetists at school for early next year. Does anyone know which clarinets it's for and about how hard it is? (I'm assuming at the moment that none of the parts are harder than the original arrangement...)
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Author: graham
Date: 2004-09-14 11:39
It's for clarinet and string quartet. I heard it played by David Campbell live and was not exactly impressed.
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Author: LeWhite
Date: 2004-09-14 12:39
The one Robert Plane does with string orchestra on the Naxos label is absoloutely gorgeous!
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2004-09-14 14:02
Finzi wrote 5 Bagatelles for clarinet and piano, not Bagatelles for Quintet. They're wonderful, folk-song-based music, and low-intermediate in difficulty except for the last one, which is high-intermediate.
The piano part has been orchestrated, but I don't think it works well. The whole point is simplicity and artlessness, and the orchestra inflates it from a balloon into a steamroller.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: msloss
Date: 2004-09-14 16:27
The "quintet" as arranged by Sean Osborn is a much more velvet-gloved approach to the Bagatelles than the out-of-proportion orchestral treatment.
BTW, for all in the NY/NJ area (sorry Squirrel) who may be interested, David Hattner is actually performing the quintet treatment of the Bagatelles along with the lesser-performed of the Baermann Quintets on October 4th. He's playing with an incredible string quartet, and the concert is free(!). He should be posting it to the Events page shortly for anyone who wants to go.
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Author: donald
Date: 2004-09-14 19:19
Robert Plane recorded the Finzi CONERTO on Naxos
a nice recording too
but i wonder, WHEN will one of the US players record it? Why, after all these years, still no version of this lovely (and audience friendly) work played by one of the great US principals, or Neidich/Stoltzman etc?
this one could certainly move some units
why not have a go at getting a clarinet concerto (other than the mozart) in the "classical top 20"?
donald
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2004-09-14 19:33
Donald,
Robert Plane's recording of the orchestral arrangement of the Bagatelles is on the same CD as his recording of the Concerto. Richard Stoltzman has recorded the Finzi Concerto (RCA 60437-2). Also on this release ..., Stoltzman's recording of the Ashmore orchestral arrangement of the Bagatelles.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: diz
Date: 2004-09-15 00:39
I am totally with Ken here ... the piano accompaniment is crystal clear ... these are five gems of the clarinet repertoire that any serious clarinetists should have up his/her sleeve ... English so needs a word that is none gender specific shim? hes?
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: Squirrel
Date: 2004-09-15 14:28
*grin* I'm currently learning the original arrangement and that naxos CD with Robert Plane arrived on Monday (Have to order things like that in in little isolated Perth)... I really like the orchestrated version, but that's probably because that was the first version I ever heard of them, and I've only heard the last two with piano so far when I've practiced with my accompanist. Planning on playing one of the movements of the concerto next year for our Year 12 Concerto night (I'm thinking the third cause that seems to be the most crowd-pleasing but I'm not sure yet. Going to learn them all though because it's all absolutely gorgeous )
I think the non-gender specific pronoun that's usually used is "hir"
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2004-09-15 14:44
For me, recordings of the Copland Concerto by European players never work. You have to grow up with Benny Goodman's playing, and Copland's other music, and Oklahoma, in your ears to know how the phrases go.
I suppose U.S. players don't often record the Finzi Concerto for the same reason. Non-British players can respond to Finzi's native language of folksong, but they speak it with a foreign accent.
I play the Finzi Bagatelles, but no matter how well I do the gestures, I know that it comes from preparation and study and doesn't flow effortlessly from the culture.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: graham
Date: 2004-09-15 15:26
Ken; can't agree with you on that observation. Who are amongst the finest interpreters of Vaughan Williams?: Genadi Rhodnesvenski, Andre Previn. Who is amongst the finest interpreters of Elgar: Leonard Slatkin. Perhaps such composers speak with a slightly different voice in the hands of non-British exponents, but it is just as good a voice in those examples. I really do think it can and does happen both ways round.
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2004-09-15 23:09
Ken wrote: "For me, recordings of the Copland Concerto by European players never work."
Of course you're entitled to your opinion. But based on your logic, one has to have grown up listening to Anton Stadler, Mozart's other music and Salzburg, to be able to play the Mozart concerto??!
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Author: donald
Date: 2004-09-15 23:45
re my former posting, and the subsequent posting by JK... all i can say is
OOOOPPPS sorry
i still think this work could be performed/recorded more often, and i have heard it played perfectly well by Americans, just not recorded
(will try to get hold of the Stoltzman recording, though he's not my favourite player)
donald
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Author: RAMman
Date: 2004-09-15 23:50
I'm all for national identity...but I don't think that is a restriction.
A different interpretation is rarely bad purely because it's different.
As for Rob Plane's Finzi...I prefer Andrew Marriner's on Decca.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2004-09-16 14:23
Liquorice -
I guess European classical music is in my bones. Certainly I grew up listening to it. I play the second trio of the Mozart Quintet third movement with a waltz/ländler swing, but I know I don't do it in quite the "to the manner born" way Viennese players do, even though my mother's family is from Vienna.
For a horrible example, listen to the world premiere recording of the Copland Concerto, with Goodman and the NBC Symphony conducted by Reiner. The were great players, but they didn't have a clue about jazz, and the performance fell apart.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: mystery science dieter
Date: 2004-09-16 15:04
>>>For a horrible example, listen to the world premiere recording of the Copland Concerto, with Goodman and the NBC Symphony conducted by Reiner. The were great players, but they didn't have a clue about jazz, and the performance fell apart.<<<
Funny, I have heard that. The conducting is fantastic (Fritz Reiner was hardly fazed by this kind of music) as is the orchestra (a very hard orchestra part). That part of it certainly doesn't fall apart. Goodman sounds like he hasn't practiced the cadenza and also hasn't made up his mind about a few other passages.
Sounds like another case of listening for what isn't there rather than appreciating what is. But the Copland concerto is one of the most abused pieces ever written, so that isn't surprising.
As for the Finzi concerto, lots of American clarinet players enjoy the piece. But there simply aren't many opportunities to play concertos and almost none to record them. It is a very good piece but let's be honest; it isn't the Brahms violin concerto (or even the Barber violin concerto) and no audience will ever react to it as if it were. .. no matter who plays it.
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Author: Douglas
Date: 2004-09-16 17:25
OK, all, but how does one get the clarinet/string quartet version arranged by Osborn?
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