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Author: mkybrain
Date: 2004-09-07 02:44
ok, more college ...stuff........please tell me if this is annoying.
they have pointed out to me that a lot of people have gone to a college for their bachelor's degree that isn't considered to be the top in the nation. They go to an in state college, and then for their master's and so forth they go to places of higher education.
Does the place that I get my bachelor's degree at make a huge difference if it is a good place, but not of the best. Assuming that I am going to go to a better place out of state for my masters. I have seen many people , who went to the place I am considering going to for my bachelor's degree, they go to one of the top schools after they get their bachelor's degree there.
I also like the place that's instate that I am speaking of. I am familiar with the staff there and know people who went there and that are going there now and good things have come from this place...but this college doesn't exactly come up on the lists of THE places to go for music education/performance/etc...
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Author: ron b
Date: 2004-09-07 05:53
There's nothing annoying about wanting to learn something and desiring to do it well, mkybrain...
I believe your parents are correct, employers look for people who can see their assignments through to completion, be that at one of THE colleges or just an ordinary one.
Bosses like to hire people who know something about the job they're applying for rather than what SCHOOL they went to.
Most, if not all, states have A college that emphasizes study in your field of interest. Bosses like to see that on your application.... 
- ron b -
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2004-09-07 05:54
This question and others like it have been skirted many times in many discussions on the board, and there are pros and cons to each position. Generally, though, the school at which you got your highest degree will eventually be the one that draws the most attention. But wherever you get whatever variety of bachelor's degree you choose, be absolutely sure it is from a school that is regionally accredited. No other will do. Period.
Why? Because you will almost certainly require a regionally accredited school's bachelor's degree in order to be admitted to one of those "best" places to get a Master's.
Regards,
John
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2004-09-07 11:45
MKY,
There are several threads that you need to look at concering music education and the type school you attend.
Here is one http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=148302&t=148292
There are several others good threads posted so do a search using music + education and you'll get a pretty good picture of what's required.
John is absolutely correct, only consider regionally acreditted schools. All my degrees are from state universities but only my BSEd is in music. Each had an above average music program. Perhaps not THE school but then, what is THE school.
One other thing to think about, get your HS degree first, then get your bachelor's degree. Many people do not even get this far. You are several years from even picking your major in graduate school (this comes first) then pick the school. Are you even certain about your undergraduate major?
It was 7 years from the time I left HS until I finished my BSEd; 5 years from BSEd to MEd; and 17 year until I got my PhD. With military service, some indecision, marriage and children, and establishing two successful careers the years will just fly by. Don't plan too far in advance unless you have some sort of crystal ball.
HRL
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Author: Don Poulsen
Date: 2004-09-07 16:21
And once you are out of school for a few years, it does not matter where you went. What matters is how good you are and what you've accomplished since.
For example, at one point, I changed from being a petroleum engineer to being a software engineer despite not having a degree in software engineering because I had developed the knowledge and skills through previous work and through some self-education.
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Author: bill28099
Date: 2004-09-07 20:21
Don't forget your parents have to look at the cost of your education. If you can live at home and go to a state supported college/university it will cost about $6000/year. If you live on campus but in state then double that to $12,000. I you go out of state to a public supported school the bill will be more like $24,000 and a place like Oberlin is about $40,000.
Now if you got 1600 on your SAT, are a musical prodigy or a great football player then you will qualify for a free ride almost anywhere so cost isn't a factor.
In terms of music it is also important who can can study with. Driving or flying a few hundred miles once/twice a month for a lesson with a truely great teacher is always an option if you go to a school that doesn't have one.
A great teacher gives you answers to questions
you don't even know you should ask.
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Author: mkybrain
Date: 2004-09-08 00:39
the school I am considering is regionally acredited, University of Alabama. It's the best in the state and one of the best in the South East. keep in mind that i'm not going for a performance major, but a Education degree.
i've met the faculty and played in honor bands at this school. I personally think the HighSchool Wind ensemble, which was the top ensemble at the honor band, sounded better than another school's college wind ensemble that i went to for an honor band. The directors and guests also said the honor band sounded better than the top band at all state. A lot of the players, most of the top players, in this ensemble go to the U of A, which made sense after i heard the school's college wind ensemble. The kids there and the faculty are awsome. I love this place, but it just seems like I'v been convinced that if i don't go to somewhere like Indiana or Eastmen Oberlin, I'm going to fail and will have a waste of a life. But this school is considered, and rightfully so, The regional school to go to.
All i really wanted to know was, and it sometimes seems like this, that if i don't go to one of THE IT schools for musicit seems that i can't do well. but after reading the posts, it seems that it is what i accomplish and how good i actually am, not the name, that matters. I've heard that an education is what u make of it, not necessarily where u get it. I think I believe that now.
It's sort of hard to explain....what it is that im trying to explain, but I'm guessing that you guys are intelligent enough to understand.
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Author: sbbishop
Date: 2004-09-08 21:36
mky,
You have resolved your issue about where and how. I commend you for asking questions and wrestling with the issue to get your answer. This is a tactic that you can use to your advantage the rest of your life.
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2004-09-10 14:50
Consider undergraduate training as finishing school.
Very few programs produce instant recognition at the hiring line, so the skills you acquire may be more valuable.
You know; play nice with the other kids, don't leave a mess in the sandbox,
eat only the lunch you bring or trade for...
If you're already considering an advanced degree, in order to find employment, then your field of choice is too crowded.
Every day the local paper advertises openings for qualified plumbers and auto mechanics, starting at $35 USD/hour.
That buys alot of reeds...
If you do the math, you'll be appalled by returns on the average investment.
(For one, I consider US colleges to be a collosal waste of money.)
I seem to remember Douglas Adams making a living from this notion.
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2004-09-10 18:22
As the mother of two sons who have both finished college and are moving on with their lives--you need to be happy at whatever school to go to because there is a lot required of you that is tedious. The University of Alabama is a well respected school and, while not Yale or Harvard, one that would give you a good start in life. There will be enough opportunity to make your mark at excellence and that's what people look at in the future. Get a reputation for being someone who can do a good job at whatever you are assigned and you'll always have a place in the world.
And, you can always go to graduate school somewhere else if you want to do so. Keep your grades up and enjoy this time in your life.
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