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Author: mkybrain
Date: 2004-08-30 00:06
ok, my friend asked me advice on this and id like to know what u all think.
he plays piano and describes himself and advanced intermediate.....he wants to teach as he described several students and has asked me if i thought this is ok.
I told, not saying that he cant teach, but i told him if the teach isn't too great at teaching, then that teacher could screw up the student more than he could help. He says he'll charge 12 for half hour and requires at least 15 minutes of practice a day. He himself is starting his own lessons on oct the 13th.
Like i said, at this point, since he doesnt have much, if any, experience teaching, i don't think its a good idea, for the student's sake anyway.
ive told him to wait till he starts taking lessons again and then ask his teacher.
what are yalls' opinions.
thx
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Author: msloss
Date: 2004-08-30 02:41
Probably not appropriate to be charging anybody to impart one's complete lack of pedagogy and experience on someone else. Would you go to somebody to adjust the transmission in your car who will be entering technical school next month?
Just my opinion, but I think teaching should be left to those with something to actually teach.
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Author: Bnatural
Date: 2004-08-30 03:29
He has had lessons before (correct??) and was just on like a summer break (I'm using these assumptions in the rest of my post) I think if he sticks to teaching very beginners it would be ok. At this level it's important to know when you have to pass the student on to a better teacher, and some students he just won't be able to help. I think it would be better to wait til he could call himself advanced but, I think some students would respond better to someone who (i'm assuming again) is closer to their age but still old enough to be respectable to them.
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Author: psychotic lil clarinet girl (don't as
Date: 2004-08-30 04:11
I'm not sure if that is such a good idea... I dunno, why don't you get him to give you a "lesson" and see how well he can teach? Then, and only then can you make your decision... Some people can teach, and some people can't... Some people that are excellent piano players can't teach worth crap... So, ya never know... His age and maturity is also an important factor too... If he's like 17-18 I dunno, it's probably not such a good idea...
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Author: mkybrain
Date: 2004-08-30 13:01
Bnatural: yea, it was his summer break, though he decided working was more important than taking music lessons, yet he wants to teach, go figure.
good idea psychotic, though ill porbably just stick with my advice of telling him to ask his teacher. i mentioned to him if he teaches me how to play the piano, ill teach him to play the clarinet( he already plays but I'm much better). But then he could be screwing me up and i could be screwing him up.
ive heard him play, hes good, but he makes a lot of mistakes when trying to play by memory
maybe if he did it for freee...i dunno, he could still screw them up, i had a bad clarinet teacher in 8th grade, and she didn't fix some bad habbits that i was doing which made them much more difficult to fix when i started taking lessons with someone else in 10th grade.
i dont think its about the money as much as its about getting a good education that won't have to be "fixed" later on.
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2004-08-30 13:20
$12 for 1/2 hr is $24 per hour!
He should be only making about $15 per hour max if he isn't advanced!
Get some experience and go well beyond an intermediate level if teaching and wanting to charge more than $15 per hour.
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Author: clarinetwife
Date: 2004-08-30 14:44
Young pianists sometimes get some experience by being a student assistant to an experienced teacher, for example supervising computer theory time, listening time, scales, whatever the teacher wants. You can learn a lot that way.
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2004-08-30 16:13
Yup - I've has as many as 5 TA's going at the same time when I was full. I would start them usually in 11th grade giving lessons to my overflow.
I would supervise 2-3 lessons early on to make sure that they were on the right track.
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Author: allencole
Date: 2004-08-30 16:20
I have to say that I'm a little jealous of someone having the OPTION to just hang up their shingle and teach piano. But piano lessons are in high demand, and this does seem to be an option for a number of folks.
I don't think that charging less is a solution. All that does is put downward pressure on the prices of all the legitimate teachers in the area--perhaps forcing some of them to find another source of income and be less available for teaching.
Teaching on the cheap also can do damage in that it devalues the value of the lessons in the minds of both students and parents, possibly leading to attendance problems or excessive meddling. The only thing that can damage a student more than a bad teacher is an 'anything goes' or 'customer is always right' mindset in the mind of the student or parent. Subsequent teachers who try to correct this mindset will probably find themselves fired on the spot.
Clarinetwife presents the best option. All teachers need to get their experience sooner or later, but at least some apprenticeship would make the world a better place.
I was brought into teaching by a close friend, after years of hearing about his experiences in the studio. Much of what he told me has saved my life again and again.
Allen Cole
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Author: Meri
Date: 2004-08-30 17:14
I think students teaching students is a *great* idea, especially when it is the teacher who wants the student to teach. I remember once trying to give my former teacher a couple of students who asked me about lessons via email, and he said that I should teach them myself. If I ran into problems, I asked my teachers about them.
My former teacher gave me a basic idea of what I should be teaching in lessons, eg: basic technique, music reading, sight reading, theory, ear training. I also use music exams, audiitons, and competitions as a goal to work towards. I also wrote down some of the approaches to basic technique that I learned to use with my own students.
For the student, the student finds out how much they really want to do music. For me, between teaching a few lessons, performing in a professional production, conducting an ensemble, etc., I learned that I was more convinced to make music my living.
Meri
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