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Author: mkybrain
Date: 2004-06-24 02:41
I have attempted it, but i can't get it down. I asked my teacher, but she really doesn't know how to do it, seeing as how she doesnt need it. Her husband, a trumpet, tried to explain it to me, but it was too trump-like.
Could anyone here explain this, or any excercises to help?
Thx
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Author: mkybrain
Date: 2004-06-24 02:49
thanks, shouldve done a search first shouldn't I?
i forget sometimes
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Author: Wes
Date: 2004-06-24 03:54
Few if any instructions on double tonguing will point out that the length of notes in double tonguing can be varied. This may be not for the beginner, but one can remember it for when you get the hang of it. One can articulate Du Gu Du Gu or ti ki ti ki or tik kit tik kit, each producing notes of different lengths. In fast tempos, one would likely wish to produce very short notes. Good luck, you can be assured that double tonguing will be a valuable asset to your playing.
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Author: theclarinetist
Date: 2004-06-24 05:32
considering the difficulty and time required to master double-tonguing on the clarinet, is it even worth the effort? I personally have never run across anything I couldn't single tongue that I needed to play. Some might point to Robert Springs playing a piece like flight of the bumblebee all double-tongued... While it is impressive, it seems like double-tonguing for it own sake (rather than serving any musical purpose). Most other instruments (including those that can double-tongue easily like flute) play this piece slurred (from what I've heard).
It would no doubt come in handy on pieces like the Nielsen Concerto or Milhaud Concerto or the Scherzo from Midsum Night's Dream, but I have played all theses pieces single tongued and not had any problems (I have a pretty fast tongue, from practicing single tonguing). I only ask because I've toyed with the idea of trying to learn it for a while, but I just don't see that is is necessary enough to justify the effort.
Any opinions from people who can do it, or who have been disadvantaged by their inability to do it??
Thanks
DH
theclarinetist@yahoo.com
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Author: William
Date: 2004-06-24 14:59
His point is--IMHO--that some people are "blessed" with a fast tongue and find no real need to use the double tonguing technique. Others--myself included--cannot tongue rapidly, even though we've practicied hours and hours (and for me, years and years) trying to increase the speed of our articulation. I believe that one is born with the ability to tongue fast--or simply is not, and cannot develop beyond a certain point, even having completely mastered tongue/finger coordination. My personal "speed limit" has--and always will be--16ths at 112 mm. Practice only strengthens my tongue muscle so that I can easily maintain that speed and clarity, but does not increase its repeatative action (speed). So, any notational articulation that exceeds 112 mm I find double and triple tonguing to be necessary.
BTW--John Bruce-Yeh (virtuosic Associate Principal Clarinetist, Chicago Symphony Orchestra) told me that he used double tonguing when making his CD featuring the Neilson Concerto and that his DT method is to "flick" the tongue up and down over the tip of the mouthpiece and reed reed. His reason, "I never had much luck with ta-ka, ta-ka in the uper register. Just takes a little practice to develop and works well, for me".
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Author: Dee
Date: 2004-06-24 19:36
Be sure that you have your single tonguing nearly perfect before moving on to double tonguing. Many times people think they need it when in reality they need to perfect their single tonguing.
Here are some common flaws in single tonguing that need to be checked before you move on to double tounging.
1. Jaw moving when you tongue causes major slowdowns.
2. Too much tongue motion or too much tongue on reed.
3. Incorrect position of tongue when tonguing.
4. Anchor tonguing also really slows you down.
5. Fingers not really synced with tongue. This is extremely common. The subconscious thinks the tongue is slow and thus slows the fingers making the problem worse. A telltale sypmton is if you sound worse the faster you tongue. Assuming items 1 through 4 have been corrected, see how fast you can tongue on the open G, no fingering. Some people have been amazed at what they could do.
Correct single tonguing takes a lot more work than people imagine. They think they are doing it correctly and so try to solve speed issues by going to double tonguing. Since they expect to put a lot of hard work into it, they do and end up solving (for double tonguing) issues 1 through 5 above. If they had first put that kind of work into single tonguing (and few seldom do) and making sure items 1 through 5 were corrected, many, but admittedly not all, would find they don't need double tonguing.
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2004-06-25 08:12
theclarinetist wrote: "I personally have never run across anything I couldn't single tongue that I needed to play"
I can single tongue sixteenths at around 150 for the quarter note. I used to think like theclarinetist until I joined a professional orchestra. Some conductors want to play the last movement of Beethoven's 4th symphony at the metronome that Beethoven wrote (half note= 160), and I've played the Bartered Bride Overture at quarter=168 and faster. You either have to learn to double tongue, or fake it!
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