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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2004-06-17 15:24
Recently, I obtained a Rossi clarinet A/B american bore set.
I tried my favorite Greg Smith Kasper, and found too much resistance.
Then I tried my Charles Bay M-M, and found a little smoother resistance.
Looking from the mouthpiece window, Rossi's barrel has obviously smaller bores since there are steps observed at the matching bores and the steps seemed less with the Bay mp than with the Greg Smith mp. Most provably this is the cause of the difference in resistances.
Is there any simple method to reamer these bores personally without any big apparatus? If anybody suggests a method I will appreciate it since I do like my Greg Smith.
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Author: Ed
Date: 2004-06-17 16:33
I would talk to one of the mouthpiece guys for advice. You might also contact Rossi and see what his thoughts are or if a different barrel could work. Reaming your mouthpiece may seem the logical choice, but you could end up with a piece of junk if you don't know what you are doing. You might find other pitch, response playing problems that you had not bargained for.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2004-06-17 16:34
Congrats on the Rossi's, Hiroshi, its one of my desires, BUT, age and my principal playing of Bass cl, influence me otherwise! I hope BBoarders with more knowledge and experience than I on mp/barrel bore-matching, will chime in. I have had experience similar to yours re: resistance, ?solved? by trial /error matching [dedicating] certain mps to certain cls, and ONLY on old cl barrels even considered enlarging the top of the barrel, believing that the maker had reasons for his sizing. This might be some of the philosophy that Hans Moennig applied to his barrels for "ailing" R 13's. I'd suggest discussing these questions w: Rossi and several of our skilled mp makers, before attempting any changing. Others, please HELP. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2004-06-17 16:52
If you're handy with a Dremel-type handheld rotary tool, you can ream using a small cylindrical sanding drum. Some skill, and a steady hand (don't drink any coffee first), are needed. Legal disclaimer: anyone who tries this and screws up a mouthpiece, it's not my fault!
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2004-06-17 16:59
My opinion would be to experiment with other barrels (Chadash barrels probably more noteably than any other type). I say this because Greg Smith makes mouthpieces and claims that they work best with Chadash barrels. Maybe uses a blank with a certain exit bore that compliments Chadash barrels. Or maybe he prefers certain reamers that he's found compliments Chadash barrels. But for WHATEVER reason, his mouthpieces are said to match Chadash barrels the best.
If you can't seem to find a Chadash that delivers the right combination of tone/pitch/resistance to you, maybe you can VISIT Guy Chadash or any other barrel maker and/or send the clarinet away to have a custom barrel made FOR you. I'd prefer to visit since what THEY think is the right resistance may not be what YOU think is the right resistance.
Alexi <--- who just realized that it's Hiroshi from Japan and now thinks that visiting Guy Chadash for a barrel may not be worth the plane tickets . . . . . I would say experiment with different barrels. Or, perhaps through contact with Rossi and some shipping, maybe HE can bore out the barrel a little more with/without your mouthpiece there to test it with (I believe he sets up his clarinets with a mouthpiece similar to YOUR own while making them in order to try to match it as closely as possible).
Of course this is assuming that you never bored anything out in your life and don't want to take the risk. I know you're a pro player, but I don't know how much or what type of work you've done in this field . . .
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2004-06-17 18:29
I have a Selmer 10SII and a Greg Smith(Chedeville type) and a Chadash 'A' barrel chosen and purchased from Mr.Greg Smith.
When I first tried this set、I was very surprised to find how smoothly air goes through and my articulation became crisp. My question comes from this expereince.
Reading professional comments, I now recognized it is not a piece of cake for me to solve it myself.
Since the top bore size seems smaller than the mouthpiece bore end, it will be necessary to enlarge the barrel bore to make the matters more difficult.
I would like to consult with Mr.Rossi on a easier solution such as a more bore-matched mouthpiece: somebody says Pyne is in a good match.
Thank you for your advices. I was just at the brink of making both mouthpiece and barrels pieces of junk.
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Author: mw
Date: 2004-06-18 15:39
OK, I've been listening & have a question. Why don't you contact Greg Smith & ask him this question (if you have not already done so) ? I have always found Greg to be quick to respond & ready with help, suggestions, tips, etc.
Post Edited (2004-06-18 15:41)
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Author: Wes
Date: 2004-06-20 04:21
Yes, it would be good to contact the makers with questions on this. I would avoid modifying a Rossi clarinet. However, for experimenting with an old barrel, a reamer can be made from a wood dowel with a slot in it by gluing a piece of hacksaw blade into the slot. By careful measurement of a Moennig barrell, I duplicated the Moennig measurements on the reamer. Then I enlarged the upper end of a barrel making a Tribert clarinet much better. Good luck!!
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2004-06-22 17:01
Dear Hiroshi...
I would carefully think about what the situation is and consider not doing something as radical as refboring an otherwise fine mouthpiece or a barrell....although in theory it may be to improve a difficult problem you may be setting yourself up for a real fall.
You would be alot wiser to consult openly with Mr. Rossi himself...it seems to me you are perfectly happy with your old set up...
but picking a new instrument should not adversely affect the way you feel about the current mouthpiece you are playing...conversely..it should make you feel better about the set up that you are used to.
As to the merits of screwing with the bore of a given mouthpiece I am in total disagreement with unless it fails to match what the maker set it at...no amount of adjustment I feel will help this make it play better on your "new" clarinet. Instead, maybe you simply have to learn how to match the reed to the new clarinet...
On top of this, maybe some of the resitance is related to the fact that you are playing on "NEW" clarinets...this happens a great deal in the ealy break in stage....as to tuning and tonal quality you have not said much, and these are very important regions to investigate when having purchased a brand new clarinet....resitance will lessen with time in my opinion.
Regards
Principal Clarinet
Symphony NB
David Dow
Post Edited (2004-06-22 17:03)
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