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Author: paul
Date: 1999-12-17 14:00
Aren't the rip and the gliss actually the same thing on the clarinet? If not, then describe the difference between the two.
Thanks
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Author: Ray Swing
Date: 1999-12-18 23:59
I'm not sure how a Music Dictionary would define them but here is my definition.
Gliss is a "smearing" of the notes from one to another; i.e.individule notes are not heard during execution.
For a "Rip" individule notes are fingered and heard via a chromatic or diatonic scale.
The term "Rip" is usually applied to brass charts such as a jazz trumpet chart. I've never seen it written on a reed chart although the wavey symbol can at times suggest either a gliss or a Rip fingering.
I hope I haven't completely confused you with this.
Perhaps those music majors on Sneezy could give you a more precise definition.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 1999-12-19 00:07
Ray,
A glissando is the effect made by rapidly fingering notes, portamento is bending/smearing them (a piano or harp can do a glissando but not a portamento).
I have no idea what a "rip" is, though.
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Author: Ray Swing
Date: 1999-12-19 01:11
Mark,
All the Jazz people I play with define the "Gliss" and "Rip" as I specified. But Thanks for the definition, I'll tell the guys next time to Portomento it (and then Duck).
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Author: Ray Swing
Date: 1999-12-20 00:26
Here are the definitions of the three music terms we have been discussing as derived from "AMG All Music Guide Glossary". These are the best I could find at the moment. and I quote:
Glissando:
Glissando literally means to slide. It is also a musical direction and a notational method as well, indicating a slide across the keys of the piano, ascending or descending or a combination of the two to effect a dramatic and quick succession of tones. Glissandos can be accomplished on the piano on the white keys or the black keys. The white keys are more effective as one can play at least three different types of glissandos: the octave glissando; the fifth glissando and the third glissando. These different types are clearly denoted by the distance between intervals played with one or both hands. The nail of the thumb, the nail of the third finger and the index finger can all be used in the performance of a glissando on the piano.
Portamento:
Any quickly and continuous ascending or descending change in the pitch of a tone where all the intervening tones are present but not distinguished is referred to as a portamento. Jazz terms for this musical embellishment include "slide," "smear," and "slur." The term is also used interchangeably in jazz with "gliss" (glissando) although technically speaking a portamento defines a continuous shift in pitch while glissando represents a rapid run of ascending or descending notes in which the intermediate steps can be distinguished.
Rip:
"Rips" are loud tonal slides up to a note often ending with a sharp accent.
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Author: sylvan selig
Date: 1999-12-22 16:01
I have been leading a big band for 20 years, and while I would tell my brass section to "rip" up to a note, I would never tell the saxes to do same. Therefore, I would say that common usage of the term is intended for the brass only. Also, anyone who has played Artie Shaw's "Begin the Beguine" can tell you that the original score, at the end, calls for a "lip glissando" in describing the final portamento (i hope i spelled that right).
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Author: Ray Swing
Date: 1999-12-22 16:21
I agree with you on the Brass "RIP.
I play the Shaw version of "Begin The Beguine" in our Big Band all the time and it requires an octave "Smear" Gliss from B to B. To accomplish this I need to slide my fingers and lip it to achieve a smooth effect.
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