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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2004-05-30 18:55
Today I did a search on the internet for music stores in my immediate area and discovered a "Robbie's Music Store" not five minutes from my house. After a visit I realized that I had been accidentally passing up (often on trips here or there) a very good music store. I took a look at the clarinet compositions and books and found TONS of method books, and picked up Bonade Orchestra Studies for clarinet as well as ordered "Clarinet Classics: Volume II" which has the clarinet parts for the mozart quintet, Weber quintet, and Brahms quintet.
However I read on this board that the Bonade excerpt book, while pretty good, is loaded with errors? Is there any place or way I can find out what the errors are and correct them so that when I begin going through it and playing some fun little diddies I don't get used to doing something the wrong way? Thanks.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: contragirl
Date: 2004-05-30 23:52
I heard there is a better orchestral excerpt book that is going my school of music, but I cannot seem to get the name of it. I think it's wire bound, and has more in it than the Bonade. I want to say it's called "The Orchestral Clarinetist." Anone else heard of it?
Personally, I haven't heard of any errors in the book, but I hear it's not one of the best excerpt books out there anymore.
--Contragirl
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Author: GBK
Date: 2004-05-30 23:58
sfalexi:
I've never seen a "correction list" for the Bonade book, but that does not mean that one does not exist somewhere.
The problem with orchestral excerpt books is that there is more to learning the major works than just the exposed solo passages. There are numerous instances of lesser known (and lesser practiced) soli and tutti passages which not only find their way into orchestral auditions, but are virtually impossible to play flawlessly on first reading.
That being said, the Hadcock book ("The Working Clarinetist") comes closest to providing a good basic overall picture of the clarinetist's role in each piece. Helpful fingerings as well as interpretive ideas make this book a must for any library. Additional bonuses are the corrected Firebird excerpt, and the more difficult to locate works by Bartok and Kodaly. Unfortunately, only about 30 major pieces are discussed.
The Kalmen Bloch set of 3 books follows the same idea as the Hadcock book. Fingering suggestions and interpretation ideas are given. Bloch also gives the corrected Firebird as well as a healthy dose of Wagner and Strauss. A bonus is the Rhapsody in Blue passages as well as a few famous orchestral cadenzas.
The Bonade book was compiled in 1947, and concentrates heavily on the major standard repertoire. A large number of works (about 100) are covered, but no fingering suggestions or commentary is given. Some of the important cadenzas are also printed. There are, however, a number of glaring misprints and typos in the book which must be corrected.
The McGinnis/Drucker 8 volumes are problematic. First, due to copyright problems (GATT Treaty), some of the volumes containing works by Soviet and Eastern Bloc composers were withdrawn. Acquiring all 8 volumes may not be easy. This set is also notorious for misprints and mistakes. The full scores or individual orchestral clarinet parts are a must to see the original correct version.
If one is serious about properly learning orchestral clarinet parts, then I would first suggest starting to accumulate the individual parts (as well as the scores, if your budget will permit). After that, the Hadcock and Bloch books would be my next purchase...GBK
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2004-05-31 03:43
GBK and/or Mark:
As far as acquiring the parts, I've seen the link above in the "Sponsors" section referring to their availability. When I hover the mouse over it, it gives an email link. I'm not sure exactly who's selling these...can you clarify for me please?
Thanks!
Katrina the slightly puzzled.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2004-05-31 12:50
Katrina wrote:
> GBK and/or Mark:
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> As far as acquiring the parts, I've seen the link above in the
> "Sponsors" section referring to their availability. When I
> hover the mouse over it, it gives an email link. I'm not sure
> exactly who's selling these...can you clarify for me please?
The email is to me; I sell them (along with study scores & full conductor's scores).
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Author: RAMman
Date: 2004-05-31 14:13
We've had a major shake up at college in recent years.
When I joined there for four (one for each year...) folders filled with the full clarinet, e flat and bass parts from a large number of works (about 30-40 in each folder). We had to learn a folder, by copying it, and then had a 30 minute exam on any of the material.
This lead to a huge amount of photocopying, and breaking of copyright laws!
At the start of my 2nd year, we gained a new head of wind who didn't like this system, and demanded that all the faculty heads chose some extract books.
In the case of the clarinets, 1st and 2nd years learn two volumes of the books by Temple-Savage (which are AWFUL, everything for A clarinet is transposed for B flat, do not buy them!) and the 3rd and 4th years learn the Guy Dangain books, which haven't been mentioned here yet.
They're not bad, a sound investment, as they contain some VERY obscure items (Berg's Wozzeck, and works by Delibes and Dutilleux for example). There are some errors (Kodaly Hary Janos for example, Dangain has not transposed the part from B flat to A to make the key more playable (as is normal), even though it says he has!) but mostly the books are accurate. The choice of extracts is interesting, many solo passages are left out, and various tutti passages are included!
However, no extract book is perfect, so if you want this route rather than finding the full parts, buy the Dangain books.
Personally, I preferred our old exam system! Luckily, I managed to get hold of all the folders before they vanished, so my library is not bad.
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Author: moderhett
Date: 2004-05-31 21:51
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If one is serious about properly learning orchestral clarinet parts, then I would first suggest starting to accumulate the individual parts (as well as the scores, if your budget will permit). After that, the Hadcock and Bloch books would be my next purchase...GBK
I've been told a few times by different teachers that the excerpts in books can look/seem completely different from the actual parts presented to you in an audition. And that passages can be interpreted differently/incorrectly if you don't take into account what's going onwith the rest of the orchestra. So that it's probably best to learn them straight from the source.
... but my problem is I don't know where to begin looking for parts, or have much knowledge of the clarinetist's orchestral repetoire. Orchestral excerpt books provide large chunks of repertoire in one or two servings, which seems useful since I don't really know what to look for.
Since I read this thread, I've been doing searches here for a list, link, or reference to anything containing a complete list of orchestral clarinet repertoire, but I haven't had any luck (though I did find a nice list of solo repertoire). I wouldn't ask for anyone to attempt to make one, but is there possibly a link to a site, or thread, or book that might have a complete list of orchestral clarinet rep.?
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Author: Joel Clifton
Date: 2004-05-31 22:03
I haven't come close to playing everything in the book, but one mistake I remember seeing is that no trill is marked for the last note of the first section of the Capriccio Espagnol by Rimski-Korsakov.
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"You have to play just right to make dissonant music sound wrong in the right way"
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2004-05-31 22:35
Thanks much GBK. That's a good list and now I have it in my favorites!
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2004-05-31 22:59
Thanks Mark!
That's such a wonderful service! I may take advantage of it but need to see what I've already got somewhere in the files...
Katrina
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2004-06-01 16:49
Alexi -
The McGinnis excerpts published by International (vol. 1-4) are the ones with all the typos, and the excerpts themselves are far too short. However, everyone has them, and you should too.
The Bonade book has longer excerpts, and while it is not free from typos, the main problem is extensive editing by Bonade, with slurs and articulation changed. Still, it's the work of a famous player and teacher, and it should be a part of your library
Separate 1st clarinet parts for the music most called for on auditions (e.g., Midsummer Night's Dream, Beethoven 6th) are available from Jeanne http://www.jeanne-inc.com/.
Gary Van Cott, http://www.vcisinc.com/clarinet.htm, has many resources, including Warner, Index of Orchestral and Operatic Excerpts for Clarinet.
An important new source is The Orchestral Musician's CD-ROM Library, vol. 1 and 2, is also available from Van Cott, which contains all the orchestral parts for a big chunk of the standard repertoire.
There are also important solos, often called for on auditions, that are still under copyright and thus not available in excerpt books. Daphnis and Chloe has, I thnk, been reprinted, but it used to be passed around in blurred, 10th generation photocopies, and you may still need to buy a full score for the Shostakovich Symphonies and the Nielsen Symphonies (particularly the big cadenza in #5).
For many excerpts, even the complete 1st clarinet part isn't enough, and you need the full scores, which are available in good, inexpensive editions from Dover. Most large bookstores stock them, and you can probably get them from Luyben http://www.luybenmusic.com/, Amazon http://www.amazon.com or Jeanne. For the imporance of using the score, see my long posting on the solos in the Beethoven 8th third movement, http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=26741&t=26741.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: larryb
Date: 2004-06-01 18:15
Doesn't anyone here subscribe to The Clarinet - the journal of the ICA?*
The past several issues have featured articles about various orchestral excerpts, their relationship to the scores, and comments on different recorded performances of the same clarinet parts.
interesting reading for those interested in orchestral excerpt issues
* maybe a better question would be: does anyone actually read it?
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