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Author: LeWhite
Date: 2004-05-26 09:47
I'm a BIG procrastinator when it comes to practise, has anyone got any tips for just picking up that clarinet and beginning?
Also, another problem I have is that when I can't do something on the first try, I stop trying and get on with something I CAN play. Usually all it takes is another 5 minutes and I can do whatever it is I'm working on.
My teacher says I could be very good if I just practised more. I know I've got the potential, I'm just lazy!
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Author: David Peacham
Date: 2004-05-26 10:09
All together now:
What do we want?
............PROCRASTINATION.
When do we want it?
............NOT YET.
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If there are so many people on this board unwilling or unable to have a civil and balanced discussion about important issues, then I shan't bother to post here any more.
To the great relief of many of you, no doubt.
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Author: Brenda
Date: 2004-05-26 11:24
"How much do I want this?" That's the question I ask myself when those feelings come up.
You're taking lessons, so you at least have that goal. Are those lessons leading anywhere? For example, are you aiming for an exam or are you part of a band or smaller group that has challenging music to play for real gigs, paid or not? Maybe you're not faced with something that gives you enough intellectual challenge, like the kids that aren't challenged by school and instead just drift. Perhaps ask your teacher to expect more of you, or change teachers for awhile (AFTER talking this over with her).
Perhaps if you had some deadlines ahead of you or a certificate or concert towards which to work, then when you get lazy you can irritate yourself with the above question.
I often have to force myself - one foot in front of the other - to get the instrument out ("No excuses"), force myself to start into some familiar scales, and then the old excitement almost always comes back. Just try to get me to stop after that. The only time it doesn't happen is when I'm genuinely not feeling well.
You'll want to get satisfaction or excitement from breaking barriers and making good music after working for it.
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2004-05-26 11:43
Hi,
You might try the Premack Principle to get you started. Check out
http://www.drhibbs.com/volume12.htm
and you may possibly find a new and interesting way to get you stared with a task that you have been avoiding.
Pretty much basic motivational psychology that works well for me when I am avoiding a task (grading exams and papers is a job that can be less than fun).
HRL
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Author: claclaws
Date: 2004-05-26 12:14
Hank Lehrer,
The Premack Principle can be applied to many things. Thanks for the link.
Lucy Lee Jang
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2004-05-26 13:30
Or you could set up some electroshock therapy. So every day, you haven't begun practicing by a certain time in the day, touch a 9-volt battery to your tongue. I heard it helps you tongue faster too (stimulates the muscle and helps it grow just like Bruce Lee did with electricity . . .) ![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif)
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: William
Date: 2004-05-26 14:04
I've always felt that the hardest thing about practice is simply opening the case. Once that is done, the rest is relatively easy.
As for procrastination, I'll have to get back to you on this one................
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Author: hans
Date: 2004-05-26 14:05
If you can answer the question "what's stopping me?" (from practising), it may help you overcome your starting obstacle. Are there other activities that you find more enjoyable and which compete for your time?
Using extrinsic rewards, as Dr. Lehrer suggests above, should get you going; however, in the long term the intrinsic rewards of practising should take over.
To help you understand why you are not adequately motivated, you may want to do a little research on the subject of Motivation. Reading about the Expectancy Theory of motivation, for example, may help you to understand why you (and many other students) stop trying, while Herzberg's Two-Factor Theory may help you to identify factors that affect your desire to practise. Maslow would suggest that you can not be adequately motivated until you satisfy lower order needs such as physiological (e.g., hunger), safety/security, affiliation,etc.
Hans
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2004-05-26 14:55
I thought of starting a procrastinators' club once. Lots of people thought it was a good idea. I was going to put up flyers and everything. Things got busy, and one of our members complained that we never had any meetings. We said we'd set a date for the meeting, and he said, "Why don't we just have the meeting now? We're all here!" Obviously, we had to eject him from the club, which we'll do once we write some bylaws.
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
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Author: Don Poulsen
Date: 2004-05-26 15:02
I've been considering starting an organization for procrastinators for a long time. When I do, you are welcome to join.
I did start a club for the apathetic once, but it failed due to a lack of interest.
I've tried starting a support group for the illiterate, but the meeting notices seemed to go unread.
My attempt to start a club for the ignorant also failed. I don't have a clue as to what went wrong there.
So, lately I've been trying to join a secret society, but I can't find out when and where they meet.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2004-05-26 15:27
Everyone needs a break once in a while, but it you don't practice -- well, other people are doing it all the time. A stern chase is a long chase, and once you fall behind, you'll have a devil of a time catching up.
On the other hand, becoming a professional player is something you have to dedicate your whole life to, at the expense of everything else. If you can't force yourself through the routine for the four years at a conservatory, you find out something important -- that you aren't cut out to be a professional player. There's nothing wrong with you -- it's just who you are. Certainly I found that out, and I became an editor and then a lawyer, making music on the side.
There are ways to push or convince yourself to practice -- everything from a sign on top of your TV set saying "Schmuck -- go practice!" to going to a practice room where there are no distractions, to meditation, to psychoanalysis. But sooner or later, you get between the rock ("I truly want to be a professional clarinetist and can and will dedicate my life to it") and the hard place ("I have to do something else, and I can't take this any more"). It's not pretty, but every serious player has to take one road or the other.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Mike Blinn
Date: 2004-05-26 15:49
I find that, quite often, reading this bulletin board makes me want to practice. It puts me in the mood.
Mike Blinn
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Author: mw
Date: 2004-05-26 16:47
Most successful Professionals will state that their journey has not been an overly difficult trip. Many will tell you that by nature they are hard workers & that everybody they saw during school, etc. did NOT possess their work ethic. Crybabies, procrastinators, "couldhavebeens", "shouldhavebeens", etc ad nauseum.
Most Pro's will go on to say that IF - those people had possessed an equivalent Work Ethic to theirs - that the journey would not have been so easy, nor successful.
AND, they will tell you that once there is a significant "fall behind" in comparison of ability/knowledge/skill - the lagging distance is quite hard to overcome & the race is quickly over! THUS, anyone with ability who doesn't persevere is actually doing someone else a favor.
REALLY, this is true about anything we do in life - whatever work or discipline. I see it everyday in my regular line of work.
Solution: kick yourself in the duff or find something else to do with your life. As to the latter, certainly you must not like what you are doing, if you don't want to do it, right? IF that statement is not true, PROVE IT!
I don't mean to be negative. There is ALWAYS tomorrow to work for. BUT. TODAY is the best day to begin with new, fresh, work habits. Be clinical & write your work down in a journal, accurately. Get over whatever it is that is holding you back!
[ None of this has been written with any specific person, poster or respondent in mind ]
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Author: allencole
Date: 2004-05-26 17:05
To mw:
Dont' feel guilty. Society as a whole has OD'ed on positive reinforcement. I can remember being in a music store as a 6th grader trying to find something to reveal to me how to play jazz. My mother (herself an excellent pianist) cautioned me that jazz was an advanced subject with a lot of high and fast notes, and maybe I wasn't quite ready yet. I can tell you that I spent a lot of time over the next couple of years trying to BE ready.
This might also be a good time for everyone, including LeWhite to visit http://www.clarinetstudio.com and read the excellent article "Talent vs. Toil."
To LeWhite:
A large proportion of your posts deal with problems of discouragement. Perhaps you do need to look at other potential courses of study, or take some time off and just work. Either it will provide you a more appropriate direction (and the accompanying relief) or it may give you a greater appreciation for your possibilities as a musician.
I worked day jobs from 1992-1999 and was so glad to get back into music full-time that I practice and study more than ever. This may be what to do when music seems like a chore.
But be prepared for the fact that music as a profession is going to force you to do whatever is necessary and to take the bad with the good. That bottom line question is still one of how much you want it.
Best of luck in sorting things out.
Allen Cole
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Author: Avie
Date: 2004-05-26 20:47
It might be worth it to keep your clarinet assembled except for the reed and ligature out of the case, cleaned and ready to play. The thought of opening the case and assembling the clarinet may take enough time to discourage one from practicing. I know that many BB members probably would disagree with that procedure for various good reasons but if you see the clarinet you are half way there so it may be more of an inspiration to pick it up and play especially if you are a procrastinator like me.
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Author: mw
Date: 2004-05-26 20:49
AllenCole said:
"To mw - Dont' feel guilty"
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I don't feel guilty - not a bit. I do feel very sorry for anyone who is travelling down a path & doesn't realize what it is gonna take to put food on the table. There is a huge legion of kids who think they are going to make it rich or famous.
My message is don't be a "wannabe".
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Author: chrystineNYC
Date: 2004-05-26 21:25
LeWhite.. what works for me besides seeing that candy bar on the table waiting for me is to set small goals for myself each day. Whatever my weakness, I write them down and apply each practice to working on them. Practice is, more or less, to sharpen those skills and make us better. Yeah, yeah technique learning is tedious in the beginning but as you continue to work, the playing becomes easier and when that happens, you'll want to do it more (well at least I would).
I do tend to stray from the clary also but even if I just do long tones, I'm doing something. Goofing around helps me when I'm in those "moods." Try just saying.. ok today I'm gonna work on.. and do it. Or just play some simple tunes so your playing.
Good luck!
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2004-05-26 22:15
I'm a professional player, and I'm also a major procrastinator. So I don't really agree with anything that mw wrote.
Many of the best musicians that I know are also the most lazy. That's why they are so good. They are the ones that find the shortcuts, rather than practise mindlessly for 6 hours a day and get nowhere.
I also think that goal setting can help. Identifying your long, medium and short term goals can get you off your butt, and also help you find the quickest route to avoid any unnecessary work!
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Author: Henry
Date: 2004-05-26 22:54
To those who believe in predestination,
there's one thing I can say with no hesitation:
"Don't worry about long tones, tonguing, altissimo,
articulation, staccato, piano, fortissimo.
There's nothing wrong with procrastination!"
Henry
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Author: GBK
Date: 2004-05-26 23:14
I've come now to offer a hand.
On these thoughts, I'll somewhat expand.
To play every day,
And not waste away
Just keep it set up on your stand. ...GBK
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2004-05-26 23:23
I have a fear to confess.
I've heard that the cork gets compressed.
And when you go to play,
The bell falls away,
then isn't it just one big mess? ...Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: GBK
Date: 2004-05-26 23:39
If you keep it set up all the time,
You can play at the drop of a dime.
Since you live near New York,
You can always buy cork.
(Just wash off the dirt and the grime) ...GBK
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Author: Claire
Date: 2004-05-27 05:03
Ok, I'm sure I'm going to make a lot of enemies with this post, but here goes. I don't think that anybody should be saying you should quit just because you procrastinate. You should only quit if you're not talented, and most people realize this early on in their playing careers. I do believe however that procrastination is a mind set. How many people on this board have used words like "force yourself" or "have to?" Instead of saying, "I have to practise now" or "I must practise now" why not try saying "I want to practice now" or "I'm going to go and practice now." Also try and set aside practise hours for yourself. Decide when during the day that you have an hour free and make an appointment with yourself to practise on that day, at that time for an hour. And don't set aside more than an hour. You run into physical problems if you don't take a break once in a while and if you go for more than an hour, you may find yourself getting bored. Heck, you may find yourself getting bored after half an hour of practising. Know your limits and remember that no one is forcing you to practise. You are free to do anything you want to.
Happy practising!
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2004-05-27 06:20
Claire,
I didn't agree with that quitting because of procrastination statement either. Actually, I don't even agree with the thought that you posed of quitting if you have no talent! I say the ONLY reason you should quit, is if it's not fun for you anymore. If you don't have talent, and don't think you sound good, but you still enjoy blowing air through a piece of wood and fingering different notes anyway, GO FOR IT! I know plenty of people who are closet singers, knowing that they are not good, won't every become professionals, and never sing in front of people, but they still throw on the headphones and wail away while alone and around the house. A math professor I spoke to in my college plays clarinet, but won't join any community bands. I asked him to join our chamber ensemble and college wind ensemble for fun, and he said no. He said he wasn't any good, and prefers to play at home just for relaxation.
So don't quit if you enjoy it. For ANY reason. Although maybe procrastination/talent should be considered if you're looking for a CAREER as a clarinetist, I wouldn't consider those reasons to quite ALTOGETHER.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: claclaws
Date: 2004-05-27 08:42
Well said, Alexi.
What a consolation and encouragement you gave!
Lucy Lee Jang
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Author: OpusII
Date: 2004-05-27 09:05
Couldn't have said it better Alexi!!
Claire,
I know many clarinetists with no talent. They all know that they are no superstars.... Does it matter.. not for them, they play just for fun and like being part of a music band. There is nothing wrong with that!
PS I'm not a enemy, but I don't agree with you on this one....
Eddy
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Author: LeWhite
Date: 2004-05-27 09:20
Brenda I'm a 2nd year college student, and my course is only 3 years.
It'd be easy to do an hour a day, I WISH it were only an hour a day, but, it's a 'minimum' of 3 to fill the course requirments (not that they can find out). I can honestly say I've never done a full 3 hours in one day in my life (excluding rehearsals, of course), and it's not like I'm hopeless, my teacher has confirmed that I'm not. I feel otherwise - practising is a chore. Preparing the majarity of the Baermann book for my technical exam next month is a chore-and-a-half! There are SO many things I'd rather be doing. I need to change my entire mindset!
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Author: Tim P
Date: 2004-05-27 11:51
Sorry I was a little late reading this post. I have a really great answer... I will post it later.
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Author: graham
Date: 2004-05-27 12:13
The difficulty I see in this is that it is not clear whether LeWhite is a general procrastinator or whether it only applies (or would only apply) to practicing the clarinet. Any career that gives you either fulfilment or good money involves a terrific amount of grafting at tedious things (which applies even to flashy entrepreneurs, who start out having to do everything themselves). I bet Ken, for instance, has slaved away over becoming a lawyer, and has to keep up his knowledge on areas that are as boring as hell.
What if you changed direction? Short of becoming a bus driver, you are going to have to do some repetitive tedious hard grind stuff along the way. Would you rather do that hard slog stuff on a clarinet or on accountancy, law, medicine etc etc? If you need a motivator, just think seriously about that other grind you would be embracing if you were to stop wishing to be a success on the clarinet, but wanted to make a success of your life some other way. Fear of the alternative may be a good motivator to do what you currently do.
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Author: LeWhite
Date: 2004-05-27 12:26
That's a really good point, Graham. I've worked long and hard to get where I am, and I have an interest in studying Naturopathy, however, if I do that, it means I'm back where I started - wanting to learn something but have to put in the hard hours all over again.
I think I'm a general procrastinator, but music is the only thing it's really mattered in so far.
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Author: mw
Date: 2004-05-27 13:22
Liquorice wrote:
"I'm a professional player, and I'm also a major procrastinator. So I don't really agree with anything that mw wrote."
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You don't need to agree with me, I'd expect that. However, I am the BOSS --- I run 2 companies happily with 12 employees who do quite well financially & with an excellent quality of life - none of whom procrastinate.
We have a rule: employees don't procrastinate on work, employer doesn't procrastinate on pay. Seems to work quite well - 30 years into it.
If you cut corners, we'll spot it - everybody will. You just think everyone is being fooled, they're not. On the other hand, there are many things which are not that tough or difficult - you see, it's the procrastinators who make things more difficult for themselves.
In most cases, if an individual cuts to the chase - moves straight ahead to get the job done - all is done much quicker. They just THOUGHT it should be more difficult.
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Author: Brenda
Date: 2004-05-27 16:46
LeWhite: I can empathize with your situation. If you're only doing Baermann for a couple hours each day, no wonder you feel the way you do! I hope for your sake that there's some wonderful and colourful music in your future, after your exam! And why don't you pop in some interesting - whatever - into your scheduled practice, and put the timer on so you don't spend all your practice on the interesting stuff? Just for a diversion and keep the brain happy?
I've been in the situation of preparing for an exam, and I was there literally three hours a day working through all the pieces, from 7:30 to 10:30 each evening except weekends. For some reason it was OK although difficult - I'd take a break from time to time, but was driven because I wanted to do well on the exam. Also the joy in practicing came from seeing improvement each day on this or that. Your achievements will always stay with you and extend beyond the exam into any other music you play afterwards.
For some reason, in my case the problem is to get started. I'm a wife and mother with a demanding job, so there are always other things that must be done to run the home. But once I'm started you can't get me to stop. It's exhilerating (ok, well, most of the time!). But you have to be prepared to just slug it out sometimes. And yes, for me it's a matter of forcing myself to get in there and get started. But when I look at my framed certificates and get to play in concerts while the others in my family have been watching TV, that feels great!
So perhaps after this deadline is over you'll be on to other things and feel better about practicing?
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Author: Claire
Date: 2004-05-28 01:45
ok, perhaps I didn't quite elaborate far enough on my statement earlier on. Certainly there are people who just love to play the clarinet and listen. They are the people who buy the clarinet cd's. I should've said that it's the people who have no talent, AND want a career in music who should give up that idea. Never stop loving the clarinet though. It's the most beautiful instrument in the world. Secondly, as for the one hour of practice thing. I didn't mean one hour of practice a day, although some do only do that. Heck, some only do half an hour or less a day. But in your practicing, you should go no longer than an hour, then take about a 20 - 30 minute break. Maybe get a glass of water or something, read a book, watch tv, whatever your thing to relax is, then go back at it for another hour or less. It all depends on your schedule, especially if you're busy with another job that takes you away from the practice room, you don't have time necessarily for even an hour's worth of practice.
I hope I've made myself a bit clearer, and if there's anything you would like clarified, just let me know.
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Author: allencole
Date: 2004-05-28 20:09
I don't agree with this lazy musician stuff.
Variety is the spice of life. You will rarely see me going through Baermann, although I do have another litany of exercises which require attention. But, I am not preparing to go after an orchestra seat. The floor for minimum technique is pretty high in those circumstances, and I doubt that practice can be accomplished in a leisurely way.
As one who lives on the leisurely side of professional playing (Jazz, Western, New Orleans, theatre, etc.) I can tell you that even that is nothing to take for granted. While I don't need a daily dose of Baermann to get the job done, I do have to work hard on my ear/hand coordination. I also have to know the repertoire or no bandleader could afford to call me.
I have developed a number of shortcuts which work for SOMEWHAT lazy students, but that will get most of them about as far as a college audition. Going for a degree in the instrument, and the normal career goals associated with it carry demands that are more boring and repetive than what I work on, because orchestra seats carry more numerous and intense moments of sheer terror for their occupants.
Let's not underestimate what LeWhite is struggling with here. A lazy pilot can fly a forgiving little puddlejumper, but airline pilots have be able to land a barn on wheels when their electronics go on the blink. This, I think, is analogous to the career goals that LeWhite is having to wrestle with.
I doubt that most orchestral players on this BB feel anything RESEMBLING lazy. Let's not underestimate what the job requires.
Allen Cole
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2004-05-28 21:51
Allem Cole wrote: "I doubt that most orchestral players on this BB feel anything RESEMBLING lazy. Let's not underestimate what the job requires"
But I really AM lazy! I do the job well, but am pretty good at figuring out how to do it with the minimum amount of work. That's why I can play at a professional level and still have a life!
Everyone has to figure it out for themselves. The only important thing is that you can produce the goods when required. I'm just not the type to do mindless woodshedding, and fortunately I've figured out that I don't have to. I suspect that LeWhite will either figure out the same thing, or quit!
By the way, I've never EVER practised Baermann. Thank heavens I never had to do it for an exam. The examiner is obviously of the mentality that just because he/she did it, everyone needs it. Poor students!
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Author: mw
Date: 2004-05-28 22:11
Baermann 3 isn't the "be all, end all" to Method Books. There are plenty of method books. Most of the method books have been transcribed. If you didn't work Baermann, you worked SOMETHING.
As stated earlier, the sooner one cuts to the chase & gets down to the tasks & matters @ hand - the easier things become.
Conversely, the more one procrastinates --- the more difficult things become.
Post Edited (2004-05-29 02:16)
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Author: LeWhite
Date: 2004-05-29 14:33
Last year was Klose, this year is Baermann, and next year - who knows, I think my teacher has Jeanjean planned.
I think it's the 'bridge' I dread most - you finish your degree, then what? You can't just finish college and get a professional job like other courses. What do you DO exactly in those many years between student and professional? How do you make money, motivate yourself, have a life? If I can't motivate myself NOW, how will I when all I am doing is the odd audition which I'm probably going to do for years before I get offered a spot somewhere? It seems very futile. I'm at a stage where I'm no longer enjoying playing in my youth and college orchestras, it's such a chore. I think the option of quitting is staring me in the face but while it seems futile to continue, it is also just as stupid to quit - after all, I've worked HARD to be where I am and maybe I've just hit a wall? A HUGE wall with barbed wire and big tough-looking security guards!
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2004-05-29 14:48
LeWhite wrote:
> What do you DO exactly in
> those many years between student and professional? How do you
> make money, motivate yourself, have a life?
In the case of my son & I'm sure many like him:
Teach (he's teaching at a middle & high school)
Studio (teaching private lessons)
Perform (he plays in a couple of groups on a regular basis)
Audition (when openings come up he auditions for them)
Contests (when those come up he prepares & enters)
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Author: hans
Date: 2004-05-29 22:48
LeWhite,
I think Mark C. has just given you a great formula for creating a career in music. IMO you should thank the man, then start practising.
Regards,
Hans
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Author: claclaws
Date: 2004-05-30 05:29
I'd like to thank Mark Charette, because I had the same question, and now I can see a clearer picture about moving from music graduate to professional performer.
Lucy Lee Jang
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2004-05-30 14:15
claclaws wrote:
> I'd like to thank Mark Charette, because I had the same
> question, and now I can see a clearer picture about moving from
Don't thank me .. it's what my son's doing, and it's all up to him. I was fortunate enough to help a tiny bit when someone posted here looking for a teacher in Japan, and I put my son in contact with the poster since my son was planning on living in Japan after his undergrad studies were complete (my wife is Japanese and my children were brought up bi-lingual) . The poster was actually looking for a clarinet teacher for a high school, and things worked out well! My son ended up being both the clarinet teacher and conductor at 2 schools in Tokyo, along with being conductor for a musical production.
At this point he's found out that he loves conducting, too, along with his clarinet playing and perhaps there'll be some synergy there. He also works on occasion as an interviewer/translator for a company that has an online music magazine. He gets to interview well-known clarinet players from around the world and then translates the interviews into Japanese for the magazine. A couple of times he's been asked to show visiting clarinet players around Tokyo, too.
You gotta be flexible!
and remember:
Serendipity goes a long way
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Author: claclaws
Date: 2004-05-30 14:43
Congratulations+ Best wishes for your son's endeavors.
Lucy Lee Jang
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