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Author: Betty
Date: 2004-05-12 12:31
Do you think that a 'player' (who receives no music lessons) can ever hope to
advance? Become a better player...learn new techniques...(no musical proteges)
I have practice with two different bands, 4 times a week, (no lessons) and struggle at times with different passages (sometimes never learning them properly) and wonder what people do who dont have the opportunity to practice with others.
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Author: claclaws
Date: 2004-05-12 14:01
well..I don't disapprove anybody's enjoying music in bands and ensembles, but if all members are hopelessly amateurs, the music they make will give pleasure to the players themselves, but not to a bigger audience.
As somebody said in another thread, it would be just tolerated..That's why I think at least some minimum music lesson is needed for any player who wants to excel.. Just my opinion.
Lucy Lee Jang
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Author: John O'Janpa
Date: 2004-05-12 14:02
Of course, but probably not as fast, or as far.
Reading books, music, bulletin boards, etc. and listening to recordings helps.
There are also more and more ways to use computers to play along with, and take lessons from, or over, or whatever.
I'm sure that somewhere in the world there exists a shy, isolated, or handicapped individual who has learned, on their own, to play better than I can.
A lot of music takes place in the mind of the musician, but it's a shame that such an individual wouldn't experience the hairs on their arms standing on end which can happen when playing with a group and everything is "right".
John
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Author: BobD
Date: 2004-05-12 15:29
There is no doubt in my mind that taking lessons from someone with experience is advantageous. However, there are geniuses among us and some who have passed on.
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Author: ron b
Date: 2004-05-12 16:58
You're doing much better than you think you are, Betty.
Welcome to the vast majority of us who are our own worst critics. There is not one musician in the whole world who cannot be a better player. No matter how good they are, even those we think of as 'the best of the best' are striving to improve. The act of posting your question for the world to examine suggests to me that you have all the right stuff to be a better player. Your kind of motivation is ninety percent of what it takes. So far, you're doin' great. Don't overlook the possibility of help from your peers. Out of two bands you're almost certain to find at least one or two who, if you're struggling, are willing to offer suggestions and show you how they deal with problems.
If I may use myself as an example: I've played in lots and lots of different types of outfits from big concert bands to symphonic orchestra to nightclub combos. I took some private lessons that were invaluable to me... but, most of the real live action and meaningful help came from fellow players. If you like the way someone is doing something, ask 'em how they do it. You'll be pleasantly surprised, if you aren't already, as how helpful most people like to be. Don't be shy.
And... don't be reluctant, when someone asks you about something you're doing that they like, to pass it along 
- ron b -
Post Edited (2004-05-12 17:38)
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Author: coasten1
Date: 2004-05-13 19:33
I was in your situation for a long time. Just advancing on my own playing with the community band. I started taking lessons and improved by leaps and bounds over 3 years. The reason was I had some incorrect bad habits that needed to be corrected. Once on the track to correcting them, other things fell into place and playing was more enjoyable.
So, it would probably be to your benefit to study with an instructor for awhile to get a good foundation of skills to work on. I have since stopped lessons since my teacher moved away, but I still have the lessons to work from and the new corrected skills to develop on. When I feel that I have reached a plateau, I may continue with lessons to bring me to the next level.
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Author: mkybrain
Date: 2004-05-13 23:38
if u actually wish to continue playing ur clarinet beyond high school, ya know, competetively and all, ur wasting ur time if u don't take lessons
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Author: Topher
Date: 2004-05-14 00:56
Practicing is a matter of self-control. Anyone who plays an instrument can noodle for half an hour and say that they practiced. This may help them a small ammount, but if you truly practice you can become a much more proficient player. Often, musical proteges are regular people who simply spend hours upon hours practicing everything to obessive-compulsive perfection. This means getting out those horrible torture devices called "tuners" and "metronomes." They may drive you stark-raving mad, but the difference will be noticable.
MOST importantly, however, is you mindset about a piece. You will never, never, never, never, never, never be able to play something correctly if you think about screwing it up or how much you suck while you play the part. Getting some self-confidence and a private tutor are the two most important things to move from a space-taker to someone who actively involves themselves in the band and makes the band a better place.
topher
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Author: leonardA
Date: 2004-05-14 18:45
I have struggled with things for a week sometimes and then gone to my lesson and my teacher points out something that really helps the situation. I have also worked out some things on my own. But having someone to go to for help really helps.Topher wrote:
> Practicing is a matter of self-control. Anyone who plays an
> instrument can noodle for half an hour and say that they
> practiced. This may help them a small ammount, but if you truly
> practice you can become a much more proficient player.
> Often, musical proteges are regular people who simply spend
> hours upon hours practicing everything to obessive-compulsive
> perfection. This means getting out those horrible torture
> devices called "tuners" and "metronomes." They may drive you
> stark-raving mad, but the difference will be noticable.
> MOST importantly, however, is you mindset about a piece. You
> will never, never, never, never, never, never be able to play
> something correctly if you think about screwing it up or how
> much you suck while you play the part. Getting some
> self-confidence and a private tutor are the two most important
> things to move from a space-taker to someone who actively
> involves themselves in the band and makes the band a better
> place.
>
> topher
Leonard
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