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Author: bkmorton
Date: 2004-05-10 23:15
Hey Folks,
I was reading the Peter Hadcock book and I came across his information about tuning and mouthpieces. He says that there is space between the tenon of the mouthpiece and the barrel and it is not good. He also says that a good way to fix it is to take a tuning ring and put in between the mouthpiece and barrel.
It makes sense that the space is not good. BUT the tuning ring does still leaves a space.
Is this a good trick of the trade? Does it make the difference in tone along with tuning?
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2004-05-11 00:27
Get a cheap junkie old mouthpiece that has an inner bore equal to the top of your barrel and matches your good mouthpiece exit bore.
M'kay?
Got it? Good.
Now cut off some slices from the tenon end of the junk mouthpiece....varying depth of slices, ......Viola'. Now try em out.
(I may not have known Copland, but I sure know Norm Abram)
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Author: bkmorton
Date: 2004-05-11 00:37
Alseg-Thanks for the tip
What would be a good knife that could cut threw the hard rubber and not create a rough edge.
What difference do you notice using this method?
Anybody
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Author: icecoke12
Date: 2004-05-11 02:11
Hi,
I tried it with the tuning ring, then without.
Cannot really tell a difference yet in terms of tone... has anyone else tried it?
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Author: donald
Date: 2004-05-11 11:07
when i played a Jimmy Yan barrel that left space in the tennon i used a tuning ring sawn from the end of an old junker mouthpiece. It improved the intonation, i don't know about the tone....
this barrel cracked eventually, and the tuning ring ended up with Phillip Green if my memory serves me correctly (oh yeah, Phil, YOU have my Chadash barrel, right?).
if done carefully (use a hack-saw, not a knife) then it can effectively lengthen a barrel- eg a 66mm barrel becomes 67 or longer. You can adjust the interior of the ring to match the barrel (if the ring is too small) using sandpaper.... if the exterior of the ring is too small (resulting in the ring moving out of true with the barrel bore) then you can enlarge this by coating it with nail polish or something similar.
donald
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Author: GBK
Date: 2004-05-11 12:10
A gap or space between the tenon of the mouthpiece and the barrel would have the effect of making the volume of the bore larger, thus lowering the pitch. A tuning ring which fills the space will raise the pitch, primarily in the throat tones as they use the shortest length of the clarinet tube.
You could glue a thin cork washer to the end of your mouthpiece to fill the gap and see if you notice a difference in pitch...GBK
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Author: pkp
Date: 2004-05-11 15:25
my local music store had a small selection of tuning rings made out of a white plastic material. you might want to check that out if you have a good store locally.
the ones i found fit the bore of my clarinet very well. in addition to improving the tuning (i was chronically sharp) they really improved the throat tones. when that gap is not filled by tuning rings the air flow is disrupted and the notes 'buzzed' for lack of a better word.
i also like GBK's suggestion about the cork washer, but i would try it without glue before messing with one of my mouthpieces.
good luck,
paula
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2004-05-11 15:56
I bought the set of tuning rings, tried them out a few times, never noticed any difference -- but then I play at approximately a Neanderthal skill level(maybe Cro-Magnon on a good day), so a real clarinettist might get different results. It's also a bit of a pain trying to fish them out of the barrel when you're done playing.
Wanna buy my set of rings? They just sit in a box in my basement --- (just kidding GBK, this is not a solicitation for sale).
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Author: Karel
Date: 2004-05-12 03:41
What advantage or difference is there between pulling out the barrel or pulling out the mouthpiece?
It should be possible to eliminate any gap in the bore between the barrel and the top joint by cutting bore of the cork "tuning ring" exactly and inserting it into the lower end of the barrel? That is assuming this would result in better tone/intonation?
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