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Author: Brenda
Date: 2004-04-22 20:21
After a long search and some dead ends (even on e-bay) I've been unsuccessful in finding these books. Sheet Music Plus has them on their list and I even placed the order, but the books aren't available anymore.
Do any of you have the Drucker series of orchestral excerpt books in your attics or elsewhere that you're not using anymore? At this point I'm interested in purchasing Book VIII, however if someone has books I through XII I'd be interested in hearing about them. It appears they're out of print.
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Author: RAMman
Date: 2004-04-22 20:25
These books are a nightmare...but so good!!
Apparently...I quote from a top UK sheet music provider..."It is illegal to bring these books to the UK, because of their copyright restrictions"
WHY???
[ part of post deleted. mark C. ]
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2004-04-22 20:45
RAMman wrote:
> These books are a nightmare...but so good!!
>
> Apparently...I quote from a top UK sheet music provider..."It
> is illegal to bring these books to the UK, because of their
> copyright restrictions"
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> WHY???
Because there are different copyright restrictions in different countries. The International excerpt books are not printed anymore because they infringed on Russian copyrights.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2004-04-22 21:54
Hmmm. Gary van Cott doesn't even have the first 4 books, edited by McGinnis. I thought it was only the Drucker books, vol. 5-8, that had the copyright problems.
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Author: diz
Date: 2004-04-22 21:59
Mark C
... but then again it's OK for a certain very wealthy film studio to take Danish children's stories and copyright them ... go figure?
I just could never get my head around the rationale.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2004-04-22 23:38
diz wrote:
> ... but then again it's OK for a certain very wealthy film
> studio to take Danish children's stories and copyright them ...
> go figure?
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> I just could never get my head around the rationale.
I think you may be mistaken here; the tales themselves AFAIK are not copyrighted, but the Disney "sanitized" versions are (a derived work).
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Author: kenbear
Date: 2004-04-23 00:45
Before you spend money on excerpt books, consider that there are CD roms out now which contain the entire orchestral parts for many works.
I have one of these and it contains the entire parts for all the Beethoven, Brahms and Mendelsohn symphonies plus more... all for around 30 bucks Australian.
Absolutely amazing!
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2004-04-23 01:02
kenbear wrote:
> Before you spend money on excerpt books, consider that there
> are CD roms out now which contain the entire orchestral parts
> for many works.
If you'd like the real parts or scores to just about anything please drop me a line. Woodwind.Org is branching out a bit ...
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Author: kenbear
Date: 2004-04-23 01:20
Oops, should have said the entire CLARINET parts to Beethoven, Brahms, Mendelssohn symphonies etc
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Author: Brenda
Date: 2004-04-23 11:57
Thanks, guys! I just sent an order to Jeanne Inc. (only Vol. VII was available though), we'll see if the order comes back as "unavailable to Canada" as the order to International Music did. I'll keep checking on e-bay as well.
Meanwhile an intriguing window was opened by Mark C. about "the real parts or scores to just about anything". That should avoid the common problem of misprints in excerpt books.
kenbear - Would you let me know more about these CD roms with the orchestral excerpts on them? Does this allow me to print out the sheet music from the CD?
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Author: Brad
Date: 2004-04-23 18:39
IMHO - The International series has a lot of mistakes in it. You might want to checkout Peter Hadcock's book 'The Working Clarinetist' which has quite a good selection of annotated excertps in it. I got my copy from Mr. Van Cott, a sponser of this site.
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Author: Peter Spriggs
Date: 2004-04-24 00:49
Brenda,
I have two book VII and one book V
Peter Spriggs The Clarinet Center http://www.pspriggs.com
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2004-04-24 04:20
Luyben Music shows volumes I, II, III, V and VII as available. I think these are recent listings because the prices are higher than I've seen in the past.
http://www.luybenmusic.com
Search under "Clarinet Studies" in their catalog.
My recollection of the history of this set is that it became unavailable several years ago, supposedly (as Mark C. noted) due to Russian copyright issues. Then, a couple of years ago, the five volumes that Luyben lists reappeared in music stores. Volumes IV, VI and VIII, however, (at least to the best of my knowledge) did not. The reason given me by one music store owner was again Russian copyright issues. The puzzling thing is that there are no Russian composers common to these three "missing" volumes who do not also appear in some of the available ones. So, unless the issue is only with specific works by Stravinsky and/or Prokofiev or perhaps Rachmaninoff, I don't know what the problem is. Does anyone know for certain?
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2004-05-06 22:49
Until I get a catalog up - you tell me what you want, chances are I can get it out the next working day.
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Author: msloss
Date: 2004-05-07 12:15
The books are still in inventory out there, copyright issues or not. Just ask your local music store to talk to his/her jobber (aka middle man). The community music school where I teach just ordered V.1-8 from a jobber and had them within a week.
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Author: Brenda
Date: 2004-05-07 13:44
Here's what's happening so far. Peter Spriggs in beautiful Penticton, B.C. very promptly sent one volume, Jeanne Inc. sent me another. International Music Co. said that these are unavailable in Canada - when I persisted and asked them to send my order to my parents in the States, they said it's possible and the order is being filled as we speak. The cost of duty and customs makes it far more attractive to order from Canada, though.
So that takes care of Vol. V, VII and VIII. Volumes I, II, and III are coming from Luyben Music, at least they've been ordered, we'll see if they arrive. That leaves only IV and VI to find yet. Any word on IX to XII?
Brad, I obtained "The Working Clarinetist" as you suggested plus a couple of other useful books from Van Cott to add to my music / teaching library. My husband's noticing all things musical appearing on my monthly statements!
Post Edited (2004-05-07 16:42)
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2004-05-08 20:25
AFAIK, there are no volumes IX - XII. I think the series ended with VIII. There are, however, three volumes of orchestral excerpts from music by Richard Strauss (ed. Bartholomey) and one volume from music by Richard Wagner (ed. Hinze) in the same format as the other excerpts books in this series. Again, AFAIK, they are all pretty readily available -- Luyben lists them all under "Clarinet Studies."
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2004-05-10 14:07
I'm sure Jack is correct. I have the International set, vol. 1-4 (McGinnis) and 5-8 (Drucker). If there had been more volumes in this set, I'm sure I would have heard about them.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: GBK
Date: 2004-05-10 15:55
Ken Shaw and Jack are both correct. The series (for clarinet) ended with Volume VIII.
Other gaps can be filled in with the 2 Giampieri books, Kalman Bloch's 3 books, the Bonade excerpt book and Hadcock's "The Working Clarinetist".
Owning the original parts is best. Lots of difficult tutti passages which you will not see in any of the books ... GBK
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Author: Tom J.
Date: 2004-05-10 16:31
Also, there are some typos in the McGinnis volumes, fewer in the Drucker volumes.
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2004-05-10 17:04
Robert McGinnis was a superb player as well...I am not sure but I think he was with the New York phil for a breif spell as well in the mid 40s.
David Dow
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Author: Douglas
Date: 2004-05-10 18:59
McGinnis was principal clarinet with Philadelphia Orchestra under Stokowski for 10 years, (he's the one playing in the Fantasia movie), and taught at Curtis during that ten year span. He then played in Cleveland under Rodzinski for one year, then became a Navy bandsman: U.S.Navy Band in Washington, solo clarinet for 3 1/2 years. After the war, he returned to Cleveland playing under Szell for one season, then became solo clarinetist with the NBC Symphony under Toscanini and then moving to the New York Philharmonic Orchestra as principal clarinet. If one views any of the Bernstein children's TV broadcast tapes with the New York Phil, most have McGinnis playing principal. A very distinguished career.
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