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 The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: GBK 
Date:   2004-05-04 01:58

Dr. Omar Henderson (best known to bulletin board members as "The Doctor") has recently branched out, formed the Forté Instrument Group and has now developed a student line instrument of which I was recently given a prototype version to test. This new clarinet seeks to incorporate "mechanical and functional changes" for the sole purpose of making a clarinet that finally addresses the common shortfalls that plague most student quality instruments.

The new Forté clarinet can be viewed in detail at the website http://www.forteclarinet.com.

My initial impression of this prototype is that this will be a most exciting advancement over what is current available from any other manufacturer of student line instruments.

No detail has been left to chance:

1. Keys have been ergonomically designed and are very user friendly.

2. The "No-Jam bridge key is an ingenious idea which totally eliminates the possibility of a student assembling the clarinet incorrectly and doing damage to the bridge area.

3. The Sure Optical Fit Alignment System (SOFAS) guarantees that the clarinet will be assembled and aligned perfectly each and every time.

4. Key supports for the low E and side trill keys have been fortified to eliminate the possibility of bent rods.

5. Undercut tone holes and a .575" polycylindrical bore.

6. Nylon pin style lever connections for the LH E/B and F#/C# keys.

7. All natural corks on the tenons and keys.

8. A bell resonance vent to help with the response and tuning of E/B and F/C.

9. A Moennig inspired barrel which helps with tuning, focus and intonation of the throat tones.

10. The mouthpiece provided is a Gennusa GE*3 (an exceptionally fine mouthpiece for a student line clarinet). A fabric ligature is also included.

11. A comfortable adjustable thumb rest

Review:

Playing - The clarinet, while still in prototype version, plays exceptionally easy with excellent intonation. I used some of my own mouthpieces (Kaspar, Borbeck, Vandoren crystal) as well as the enclosed Gennusa mouthpiece. All were compatible and kept the tuning very much in control. With the enclosed mouthpiece and barrel the clarinet plays A=442. The key action is quiet, secure and definitely will be friendly to young students. The combination of the Gennusa mouthpiece and Moennig style barrel nicely focuses the throat register while delivering a warm, responsive sound. The undercut tone holes greatly help with the intonation. Tuning was precise and there were no notes wildly out of tune or out of character.

Construction - This is a very solid feeling clarinet which will certainly withstand the rigors of beginning students. The bridge key design (which can be viewed in detail on the web site) is an innovation which is long overdue. Key quality, springs, rods, and pads (waterproof white kid leather) all seem to be much better than are normally seen in student line instruments. My impression is that this is a clarinet that will stay in adjustment far longer than most (if not all) clarinets currently available.

Extras - The case is light weight, yet very smart and functional. The clarinet sits nestled snugly in a foam injected velvet type material (very similar to a BAM style case). It has a separate music pocket, shoulder strap, and is secured by zippers, not clasps. I am told that other accessories will be Gonzalez reeds, Doctors product cork grease and a silk swab.

An additional exciting optional feature of the clarinet is the "Power Barrel". This barrel has a revolutionary design (pat. pending) which adds projection and volume to the sound (Yes - I know it sounds unbelieveable, but it works!) It is meant specifically to be used in outdoor situations (like marching bands) where clarinets struggle to be heard. It delivers a loud, full sound due to the concave cone shape and a nickel plated brass sleeve with resonance ports. As explained to me by the Doctor, the reason for the increase in sound is due to the resonance ports which allow amplification of the even harmonic series and give a perceived increase in power of 12-15 dB.

Assessment:

My overall impression is really one word: "Finally".

Finally someone has addressed the weaknesses found in student line clarinets and solved the problems in a logical, innovative way, while improving the over all product. This is going to be an exciting new entry into the clarinet market and one which will definitely get the attention of the "Big 4" as to design changes. I played this prototype for many hours and felt totally at home with it and although ideal for inclement weather or outdoor situations, I would have no problem playing it in any professional setting. It is a clarinet that certainly does not feel or play like any student line instrument currently available. I eagerly await the finished product.

Disclaimer - Dr. Omar Henderson has solicited a few selected professional clarinetists and teachers for their input in the final testing phase of the Forté clarinet. Their reviews and comments are also on the Forté clarinet site. We were not paid and received no professional remuneration or consideration. It was a pleasure to be a part of the design and testing phase of this instrument.

I wish him and his new Forté clarinet well ...GBK



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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: Contra 
Date:   2004-05-04 03:14

Well, that certainly sounds like it puts my little beginner Vito to shame.

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: Alseg 
Date:   2004-05-04 05:20

This must have been a monumental undertaking

He seems to think everything through to a logical conclusion. His service is impecable, and the items superlative yet economical....as is the always welcome vial of Vitamin M.
.
All the best to him!

Non- Disclaimer ...I am not on the dole from the Good Doctor, but have recommended his products in a commercial setting elsewhere without renumeration.

BEST OF LUCK DOC!!!

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: GBK 
Date:   2004-05-04 19:06

One addition: I just discovered that the Forté clarinet (Forté Instrument Group) is a sponsor of www.woodwind.org.

The link can be accessed by clicking on "Instruments" in the sponsor column to the right ...GBK

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: Bradley 
Date:   2004-05-04 22:08

Isn't Graham Golden in on this project too?

Bradley

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: Sylvain 
Date:   2004-05-04 23:14

The bottom line for a student is will he be able to afford it?
The only thing you did not mention is the price tag...

IS it going to be competitive with the current student line horns?

-S

--
Sylvain Bouix <sbouix@gmail.com>

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: mw 
Date:   2004-05-05 00:20

YES - is it too early to give a range of where the street value may fall? Thanks. mw

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: Dan Shusta 
Date:   2004-05-05 00:25

Yes, Graham Golden is very much involved with the Forte' clarinet and I was told by Graham that the price was to be very competitive...if I remember correctly, just under the Big 4 prices for their student models.

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: L. Omar Henderson 
Date:   2004-05-05 01:45

(Disclaimer - I am a maker of the Forte' clarinet)
All -
Graham Golden is a co-founder of the Forte' project and many of his ideas and expertise are incorporated in the clarinet. We are a co-inventive team and share the workload according to our areas of expertise.
The Doctor

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: JMcAulay 
Date:   2004-05-05 02:05

Even with my limited knowledge of you two, but with full appreciation of your positive attitudes and no-nonsense approaches to problems, it sounds like a whale of a team to me.

From a non-believer in most Clarinet bells: Good Show on that low vent! (Is it fraised?)

Non-Disclaimer: I have not been solicited by anyone for diddly-squat. They're smart.

By the way, if this is a student Clarinet, does that mean there will be subsequent higher-level models that will be even better?

Best of luck and regards,
John

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: L. Omar Henderson 
Date:   2004-05-05 03:36

(Disclaimer - I am a maker of the Forte' clarinet)
The passive bell vent has been tested, and fraised to rid the flatness is the lower, lower register and add clarity to the clarion register.
The Doctor

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: DAVE 
Date:   2004-05-05 05:10

What exactly does "fraised" mean?

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: Gordon (NZ) 
Date:   2004-05-05 05:14

'Fraising' = 'undercutting' - widening, or partially widening the bottom end of a (tone) hole, for purposes of tone or intonation.

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: JMcAulay 
Date:   2004-05-05 19:09

Dave: Fraising, which makes a tone hole (or "vent") larger on the inside of the Clarinet's tube than on the outside, also affects the frequency relationship between the Chalumeau and Clarion registers. This ideally is exactly a twelfth (octave plus a fifth) but many times it doesn't work out that way without adjustment.

Regards,
John

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: Don Berger 
Date:   2004-05-05 20:10

GBK - Is it just my poor computer technique, or is it necessary to go further into Graham's Music site to view the Forte, since I cannot find a link to it ! I have several interests in it. Please delete this post if improper. TKS, Don

Thanx, Mark, Don

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: Ralph G 
Date:   2004-05-05 20:19

This appears to be the page with all the pictures of it: http://www.forteclarinet.com/products/instrument.htm

The sculpted register and throat A keys seem like a great idea.

________________

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- Pope John Paul II

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: LeOpus1190s 
Date:   2004-05-06 08:48

the Forte clarinet sounds fantastic... watch for grahm golden.. he's talented at what he does.. he might be the next brannens, or tom ridenour (spelling?).

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: LeWhite 
Date:   2004-05-06 12:17

I'd be interested in a professional model if you ever make one, Doc!

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: Gordon (NZ) 
Date:   2004-05-06 12:59

How about a BASS clarinet, Doc? :-)

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: larryb 
Date:   2004-05-06 15:12

are there any viable alternatives to natural cork for tenons? just as wine makers have experimented with synthetic material for cork?

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: mw 
Date:   2004-05-06 18:29

YES, certainly there are. It seems that Gordon & others have discussed this previously.

Cork-impregnated GASKET material from the local auto parts store, Hycotex available from Yamaha, Valentino Synthetic Cork Strips, "RealCork" from Ferree's (see link below), & various, sundry cork-like materials - the list is growing all the time it seems.

The following are meant to educate - I have no interest - these are good sources amongst many - in which to inquire about Cork & "Cork-like" products - TTBOMK photos are included.

http://www.ferreestools.com/HyTek%20RealCork.htm

Also, contact Curt @ Musicmedic. Musicmedic is now a dealer for very fine natural cork & Techcork which is a product of S. A. Rosas in Spain, Curt is the U.S, distributor. [ Kraus sell some "cork-like" material which is black in color - great for the Vampire Clarinetist!!! ]

http://www.musicmedic.com

Good luck. Remember what was said about those who are successful @ DIY repairs and those who are not. Certainly, you can pass info along to your favorite repair person.



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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: Don Berger 
Date:   2004-05-06 18:48

Thank you, Mark W , for info well worth looking into. Don

Thanx, Mark, Don

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: Gordon (NZ) 
Date:   2004-05-06 21:57

Also http://www.krausmusic.com/sheets/shtsynth.htm#1176
although Kraus supplies only to professional technicians.

However, definitely do a search. It has been well discussed. I've tried pretty well all that is available (except this 1176, which possibly is better than the other synthetics), and appreciate even more the qualities of natural cork for tenons, although I often use better alternatives (including 1176) for key corks.

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: Don Poulsen 
Date:   2004-05-07 14:40

I'm curious -- What improvements would needed to be made to make this a professional clarinet instead of a student clarinet? The review makes it sound as if the designers attempted to build in as much quality as possible. What is it missing?

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: sfalexi 
Date:   2004-05-07 14:47

Well GBK has already stated that he would have no problems playing it professionally. So there's one mark of a professional clarinet. I too sometimes wonder what the difference would be between a perfect in tune student clarinet and a perfect in tune professional clarinet. The only difference I can think of are the accoustic dimensions/capabilities in the bore.

While it has a .575 polycylindrical bore, that is measured at one or two places. The rest of the bore slightly tapers here and there getting slightly smaller and larger or maybe even different shapes (egg shaped bell of an RC?). So the smallest part of the bore might not be accoustically 'ideal' for the professional quality sound. Also there are varying degrees of taper. It may taper slowly. Or quickly. Just as there's a difference between a moenigg barrel and a chadash barrel (chadash advertises a more gradual taper)

I'm sure there's more than that to go into it, but that to me would seem to be a primary influence on whether it can achieve that optimum level of sound. Of course your ears, embouchure, and oral cavity is different and this clarinet might compliment you BETTER than any particular 'professional' clarinet. Only one way to find out, right? [wink]

Alexi

US Army Japan Band

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: kfeder@hotmail.com 
Date:   2004-05-09 00:40

Any word on when and where the Forté clarinet will be available?

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: L. Omar Henderson 
Date:   2004-05-09 10:42

The Forte' will be out in June.
The Doctor

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2004-10-15 23:38

What is missing Don is that it isn't Wooden.

It sounded very good, but didn't at all sound like a good Professional Wooden Clarinet.

Plastic never does.



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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: Phat Cat 
Date:   2004-10-16 00:24

David:

If you have play-tested the Forte, please share your full review with us. If not, please cite a controlled study to back up your latter assertion, which you use to infer a negative conclusion about the Forte.



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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: Brenda Siewert 
Date:   2004-10-17 15:19

I just bought one and haven't received it yet, but am anxious to play it after all I've read. It sounds like an ideal outdoor instrument as well as a great student instrument.

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: Irwin 
Date:   2004-10-17 16:30

I look forward to Brenda's review.

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2004-10-17 16:40

Phat Cat - I played it at ClarFest.

Was very good, but not nearly as good as my Buffet R-13 Prestige in Sound.

Sorry for disappointing you.



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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2004-10-17 16:43

Does it sound better than say a Yamaha Plastic Clarinet?

I'm not sure. I haven't played both head to head. I would though assume that it does as it's a superior design (the Forte) to the standard plastic yamaha or buffet student clarinet (because of among other things the barrel is tapered). Also coming standard with a top quality student mouthpiece (the Genussa) is a great deal too.


I hope they get good distributorship and that's a big key to making the $$$ to sustain the business. (I'm assuming that one by experience)



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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: GBK 
Date:   2004-10-17 17:00

Just a quick follow up to my original review of the Forté clarinet:

I now own a Forté clarinet and used it a number of times this past summer in outdoor settings (once even as a soloist with a local community band).

It played very well, was impervious to the elements and the "Power Barrel" (which I strongly recommend purchasing as an accessory) adds volume for outdoor playing.

From what I understand the first production run (perhaps the first two runs?) of Forté clarinets was sold very quickly, but I now think that supply is adequate to meet demand.

Of course, it is always wise to check with the Doctor for current availability through him or authorized distributors ...GBK

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2004-10-17 18:50

I haven't had any students start from scratch this year nor need a student clarinet, but that's the one I'll be going with when they do.



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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: GBK 
Date:   2004-10-17 20:23

I haven't had any students needing to purchase clarinets, but one of my colleagues has two of his younger students on Forté clarinets.

It took a bit of convincing for the parents to purchase a clarinet that was not made by one of the "Big 4", but they now see it was a very wise decision.

The students (and parents) are totally enjoying the Forté. ...GBK

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: ken 
Date:   2004-10-17 21:19

Any venture capital investors showing any interest or offers made at this point?

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 Re: The Forté Clarinet - a review
Author: L. Omar Henderson 
Date:   2004-10-17 22:01

It goes without saying that I am a maker of the Forte' clarinet. So far this is a wholly owner financed venture and will be until we reach another plateau where a larger infusion of capital is needed or we want to venture out into other models.
The Doctor

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