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Author: AJ
Date: 2004-05-05 11:47
Hello everyone. No matter how many times I tell my teacher about me going to Juilliard she says Im better off in Oberlin or in some other college. She said before that I am "Juilliard Material" but she doesnt want me to go for some reason. I know I havent been accepted yet, I'm still a junior but she doesnt even want me to apply there. I did ask her why but then she just says that I am better off in another school. Is Juilliard like a terrible place to be in?
AJ
PS: Is Juilliard primarily a school for performance or do they also have education?
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2004-05-05 13:40
Someone else will have to answer whether they offer an education degree (I do believe, though, they offer only a straight bachelor of music for undergrads with a heavy performance emphasis), but read this thread for some insight on how Juilliard's hyper-competitive atmosphere can be soul-crushing for many, then decide if you want to investigate further if it's for you:
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=136888&t=136819
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Post Edited (2004-05-05 13:55)
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Author: Pappy
Date: 2004-05-05 14:41
I have a B.M. from Indiana University from the 70's and was also considered "Julliard" material. I have always been pleased with my choice. I much prefer one of the top University based programs (Like Indiana, Michigan, etc) to the conservatory approach. There is also something to be said for the effect of your "pecking order" in your program has on your development. My son, for example, chose to study engineering at Purdue University rather than at M.I.T., where he was also accepted. It was an excellent choice for him because he has had a chance to shine and get the benefit of the growth that comes from that vs. the prospect of getting lost in the shuffle at the "elite" program. It all depends on how you're motivated.
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Author: William Hughes ★2017
Date: 2004-05-05 15:07
I cannot determine, from hearing a musician perform, where he or she was educated.
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Author: AJ
Date: 2004-05-05 15:41
Hi, Its true it is my life but still what my teacher says does mean something to me but of coarse I wont let her decide what I will do with my life. Thinking about Juilliard scares me. It could ruin my life, or make it so much better.
Has anybody here been to Juilliard?
I have read that book "Nothing but the best: The struggle for perfection at juilliard" And it scared me even more. This decision is going to be hard for me applying or not. If I apply and get accepted will I go or not. If I go will I regret having went any where alse? If I dont go and get accepted I would regret not having gone. If I dont get accepted thent that would just be a very easy decision. So many if's! I dont know what to do with them now.
Thanx everyone for your help so far.
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Author: RAMman
Date: 2004-05-05 15:59
I had a teacher who always insisted I had no chance of getting where I want to go, but I applied anyway and got it in.
It's up to you where you go, and while you should listen to advice, you don't have to take it!
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Author: justwannaplay
Date: 2004-05-05 17:57
AJ,
You are right to question your teacher's assumption about where you should go. Try to get her to be explicit as to why she feels you should go to one place and not the other. Her lack of clarity on this seems to be fueling your doubts and apprehensions.
Once you get a clear answer from her (and perhaps a second opinion if you can) and you still are burning to apply, I would suggest going to NY and spend at least three days there, meeting professors (appointments in advance of course), students, anyone who'll talk to you about the program, what it's like living in NYC, etc.. It will be quite expensive, but it is very important that you apply with your eyes fully open. This is probably the only way you will know whether Juilliard is really for you.
Good luck
Elizabeth
Post Edited (2004-05-05 18:07)
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2004-05-05 18:55
AJ, have you considered just exactly WHY you want to attend Juilliard? Perhaps your teacher knows more about the school than you and detects some reason why you might do much better elsewhere, even though you're "Juilliard material."
Perhaps a frank discussion on this topic with your teacher would help. After all, it was her comment, and she knows you much better than we do.
Regards,
John
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Author: AJ
Date: 2004-05-05 19:36
Hello, I just want to clerify that I dont JUST want to go to Juilliard but if I do get excepted that is the first place Im going !!(atleast for now)
I guess the reason for always wanting to attend Juilliard is because its been this dream for such a long time. And the older I get this dream of Juilliard starts to crumple and take on weird shapes. Its been harder to let go of the idea of Juilliard being this ultimate music utopia.
I've been trying to contact my teacher but she has already traveled elsewhere. I'll talk to her when she gets back. I'm living in Amman, Jordan now. Its city life but I'm sure its nothing like NY.
Well, I'll still continue to research, and even try to visit Juilliard.
AJ
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Author: Shiz
Date: 2004-05-05 20:14
AJ-
Hi. I understand that you have a school in your mind that you want to go to, but your teacher denies your choice is tough... I had same experience myself as well. Anyways, about Julliard... I have a colleague who went to audition there, but her being Post-Masters didn't get her in primarily. Basically, they want someone young who is very talented, and they want to keep you there... and want you to establish your name with "julliard" along with it.
Another thing I heard is that... right now, they don't have a good clarinet teacher in Julliard. Amoung clarinet teachers in Julliard, none of them are known as an orchestra player except for Morales, but that's assuming he will continue his job at Julliard. I think that puts blockade on orchestral excerpt studies in Julliard.... I mean, how can you learn excerpts from people who don't have credible orchestral experience??? I guess they would want to have more people who is geared toward becoming a soloist, but nowadays in this career, you will be much better off if you can perform both as a soloist, chamber collaborator and orchestral performer.
Anyways, I think that might answer your teacher's concern... I am currently in the collegiate environment, and I've made contacts with people living in many different cities. Right now, when we mention about "place to study clarinet," Julliard is hardly ever mentioned, and if Julliard has a worthwhile clarinet program, we'll hear about it. Any rate, I would still encourage you to audition for Julliard, and I do wish you the best. However, just because Julliard is one of the best music conservatory in the world, that doesn't mean that Julliard has the best clarinet (or even woodwind) program.
Sincerely
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Author: clarinerd
Date: 2004-05-06 01:59
AJ, email me with any questions you have. I'm graduating this year from Juilliard.
Clarifications: No education majors here.
Also, I would say that students at Juilliard are above being hyper competitive with each other. I mean come on, we're in competition with ourselves. There's no time to think about if we're living up to our peer's standards. There's absolutely no point in it.
Mark
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Author: Cindy
Date: 2004-05-06 05:10
All I know from my college search is that Julliard does not have an education degree, and its a lot easier to take alternate, "fallback" if you will, academic classes at somewhere like Oberlin. Julliard is great if you are way beyond your years in musical performance, feel like working on your instrument and plan on performing it for your entire career, but I know its not for me. Who knows, maybe its for you.
So many instruments to play........so little time to play them!
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Author: LeOpus1190s
Date: 2004-05-06 08:41
It's just a name. The players at julliard aren't any better than the players at Eastman or USC if anything they may not be as strong.
I would consider more who is teaching than what the name is of the school.
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Author: LeWhite
Date: 2004-05-06 12:26
I think what you need to do is apply and audition.
Soon after that, the decision will be made for you: Perhaps you won't get in and that's the end of that.
Perhaps you will and then you have time to consider it. Why not TRY it? You might (depending on your financial position) be able to go there and if you don't like it, go somewhere else. I did a similar thing at the start of college and I certainly don't consider it a waste of my time or money. Just don't get too caught up in WHERE you study; choose somewhere that's going to allow you to be the best you can be and give you your best chance.
Also, take some lessons with various teachers at various institutions - you may really like one and decide to study there.
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Author: JessKateDD
Date: 2004-05-06 16:58
Juilliard is certainly the most famous conservatory in the US, if not the best (there is always the rivalry with Curtis to consider). If you, at age 16 or 17, are 100 percent certain that you want to do nothing but music for the rest of your life, then Juilliard is an excellent choice. Additionally, your parents should be in a position to (and agree to) help you out financially after your studies there. It may be several more years before you are able to support yourself.
Also, the playing standards at the top American music schools are very high. If you have the funds, I suggest going to Interlochen or Tanglewood this summer so you can get an idea of how you stack up against some of the best high school players in America. No matter how you place, you'll go back home a much better clarinetist and know what you're up against.
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Author: clarinerd
Date: 2004-05-06 17:00
>>>>>>>>It's just a name. The players at julliard aren't any better than the players at Eastman or USC if anything they may not be as strong.<<<<<<
Whatever do you mean? I mean, I can bench nearly twice my weight. J/K
Mark
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Author: AJ
Date: 2004-05-06 18:25
My parents want me to become a doctor or a psychiatrist. They dont really believe in music as a profession so to convince them that music is my choise for college is pretty hard already. They told me that they would still respect any decision I make which is good because they use to be worse with my older brother! I'm really confused, I even tried to email one of the Juilliard teachers but I couldnt find their emails. I really need to know more about this place before I make this big decision. Any body know everything!!
Thank you
AJ
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Author: AJ
Date: 2004-05-06 18:33
I meant, any body know anything?
HAHAHAH
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Author: Brandon
Date: 2004-05-06 21:02
Did you try calling the school? When I was visiting Juilliard several years ago, the admissions office was more than willing to give me the essential contact information for the clarinet faculty. Not all of the faculty had their contact info listed, but it might be a good start.
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2004-05-07 18:52
I would definitely consider the odds of actually working in your chosen field.
If you are paying tuition - go where you like.
If someone else picks up the tab, they're entitled to guide your choice.
I know lots of happy MDs that moonlight in dancebands.
I know of very few professional musicians that have time to moonlight...
The nice thing about a music education degree is that you have a chance to turn on other kids to music - for pay, while you set up playing gigs.
You will, of course, need a cheap car that uses little gas, while you scuttle from one Polka gig to the next...
http://www.juilliard.edu/home-flash.html
See "Prospective students and parents" for a discussion from the source.
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