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Author: GBK
Date: 2004-04-16 16:39
He should have programmed more Beatles music ...GBK
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2004-04-16 18:09
Similar reports had been heard in Manchester about Nagano and Dutoit in Montreal...excellence usually means being disliked.
David Dow
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Author: BobD
Date: 2004-04-16 21:27
"Toscanini was beloved everywhere"!!! That's a new one to me.
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Author: Matt
Date: 2004-04-16 21:33
Zubin Mehta looks like a God when he conducts, at least from the waist up. It somehow goes beyond musicianship. Sure, he's good, but theorchestra likes him because of his collosal and humerous egotism.
Claudio Abado consults respectfully with the orchestra. It's negotiable. On quieter pieces it works great: introverted, placid, deeply thoughtful. Even number Beethoven wonderful, odd numbers less.
I've only watched rehersals. Am I out of line?
matt
Matt
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2004-04-16 22:03
"Which is he -- the boy genius or the obnoxious @#$%?"
Hardly a boy at 56.
I don't think the two terms are at all exclusive.
Keeping a happy band is a tough duty...keeping one in the black is brutal.
I've always wondered how a band can be cohesive if the principal is constantly in flight to somewheres elsit...
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Author: ned
Date: 2004-04-17 02:56
""Few conductors have a lot of friends.
Bernstein was beyond excellent and was beloved everywhere. Toscanini too. There are plenty of other examples.""
So.........which is it......few conductors have lots of friends or plenty of conductors have.............?
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Author: ned
Date: 2004-04-17 07:52
""The conductors who fit the category of 'beloved' by players represent less than 1% of the profession, I would say.""
So.........your answer to my question is FEW not PLENTY!
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Author: fmadison
Date: 2004-04-17 12:05
Hi,
I noticed that some of the best conductors are either one of two types.
1. Complete Totalitarians: They know exactly what they want and how they want you to sound. No nonsense, not your buddy but your boss. Like an NFL head coach in the mold of Jimmy Johnson or Bill Parcells.
They keep their distance from their players and do not have friendships with their players in front of the others.
They are respected because of the results they generate. Those who hate them tend to be those who don't like working hard or those who don't push themselves to reach higher levels in their playing.
Status quo will not cut it.
If you are in a New York play with Jerry Lewis expect to push yourself with 15 hour rehersals.
2. A Players Coach ( Conductor ): Like Dick Vermile of Kansas City. Emotional cares about his players and lets his emotions show in front of all people.
He has the respect of his players because of the results the team gets from following his orders and lead.
This is very rare in Conductors but the musicians follow their lead because it is an atmosphere where everyone is free to help with the common goal of making music. It is a group effort where the Conductor is seen as a fellow musician that is there to help them discover beautiful music.
I guess the reason why there are more types of conductors in one area than another is because some musicians need a swift kick in the rear to respond in a way that results in a new level of playing and music.
-Frank
It's the wood that makes it good!
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Author: Bellflare
Date: 2004-04-17 12:59
What is it about GS that they did not like.
Are there other factors?
I understand that he has had "difficulties" in guest cond. spots elsewhere but no specifics ever released. What do the Seattle players think about him?
This would be good fodder for the tabloid press, if they even thought of delving into classical music.
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Author: diz
Date: 2004-04-19 23:46
According to friends of mine in the SSO ... Dutoit was highly regarded and respected on the several of occasions he conducted here.
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Author: Tom J.
Date: 2004-04-20 00:10
George Szell, a Toscanini disciple, once publicly insulted cellist Lynn Harrell about his weight at a Cleveland Orchestra rehearsal in the 60s. The entire orchestra refused to return from break until Szell apologized. After a while Szell told the orchestra manager he agreed to apologize once the rehearsal resumed. Szell's apology amounted to these few words:
"You must understand, I don't always mean everything I say. First movement please."
Has anyone out there heard a story about Fritz Reiner being attacked outside of Orchestra Hall after insulting some CSO players ?
Post Edited (2004-04-20 00:34)
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Author: diz
Date: 2004-04-20 00:19
Seriously ... can't understand why this should be so topical. Seems to me that this is a common thing ... sometimes the chemistry (for whatever reason) just isn't right.
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
Post Edited (2004-04-20 02:03)
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