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Author: claclaws
Date: 2004-04-14 00:26
Hello, everyone!
Learning something everytime I visit this BB.
Recently, 'philharmonic symphony orcherstra' was what got my attention, and again I learned quite a lot thanks to the thread below and much earlier one that was linked.
But still, there are many things I don't understand,
- bore : clarinet part, right? but which?..
- sub-dominant key; (i know, this will be several pages long in a theory book)
- IMHO (must be some abbreviation you use in a posting ?)
....etc...oh, remember, I once asked what 'dorky' meant, and got a very kind answer..
Of course I might look up in the dictionary , but I prefer not to, when it comes to the reading of this BBoard. Because
- it's something technically related to music, so literal translation into Korean will not help much
- would like to listen to explanations from people who understand in their easier version(^^)
Thank you for many interesting and informative ideas. But please, expert-clarinetists, when you post, think about using easier version for some people like me. Not understanding music terms/jargons properly is my problem, though..I actually start to study some theory, too.
Lucy Lee Jang
Post Edited (2004-04-14 00:30)
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Author: Kevin
Date: 2004-04-14 00:57
bore = the circumference of the inside of the clarinet
subdominant = 4th degree of a scale (in C major, subdominant is F). the dominant is the 5th (in C, it would be G), therefore 'sub'dominant is the one below 5.
IMHO = 'in my humble opinion'
Post Edited (2004-04-14 01:02)
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2004-04-14 01:18
Hey, Kevin: The bore of a Clarinet is expressed as diameter, not circumference. So, claclaws, the bore is the part that isn't there... the hole down the middle. Yhe size of the bore describes how wide is the hole.
Regards,
John
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2004-04-14 01:19
Here are some frequent acronyms you might run into on this BBoard (some of them certainly confused me for a while!)
UJ - Upper joint (of clarinet)
LJ - Lower Joint (of clarinet)
IMHO - In My Humble Opinion (or sometimes just IMO)
Chalemeau/Clarion/Altissimo - The different registers of the clarinet from low to high (I don't know how to spell the first, but browsing on this board you'll see that there's a different spelling nearly EVERY time it's used. Long as I can understand, I'm ok with it)
Artic. - Articulated (usually G#/C# key)
SN - Serial Number of clarinet (not used TOO often, but every now and then)
The rest you'll probably pick up as you go. The IMHO is just internet "lingo". Very often you'll see things like that and LOL (laugh out loud) or other various acronyms. A quick google search on them usually comes up with a page or two that has DOZENS of acronyms. More than I've ever seen. Well, GL (good luck) and I'll "catch u l8tr."
ttyl
Kevin,
I was taught "subdominant" to be the fourth note of the scale. And the dominant to be the fifth. For a C-scale,
C - Tonic
D - Supertonic
E - Mediant
F - Subdominant
G - Dominant
A - Submediant
B - Leading Tone
C - Tonic
So if anything I would have expected B to be a "sub-tonic" or some sort.
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Kevin
Date: 2004-04-14 01:41
JMcAulay is right, the bore is the diameter. A typo on my part.
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Author: Micaela
Date: 2004-04-14 02:45
The subdominant can also refer to the IV chord- the triad built on the fourth degree of a scale- as well as just to the note itself.
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Author: Brenda
Date: 2004-04-14 02:56
Oh, I thought it was "In my honest opinion", quite a difference from "humble". Honesty allows for arrogance. We could have some fun with these acronyms, though!
BTW = by the way (or, Better To Walk or,...don't get me started. I already made a list of variations for EGBDF.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2004-04-14 03:11
Brenda wrote:
> I already made a list of variations for EGBDF.
My grade school music class used to like "Empty Garbage Before Dad Flips"
My college theory class was fond of "Every Girl Buys Designer Fashions"
Isn't it amazing how the differences in ages reflect in the acronyms?...GBK
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2004-04-14 03:43
I learned "Empty Greyhound Buses Don't Float." Which always made me wonder -- do full buses float?
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- Pope John Paul II
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Author: ksclarinetgirl
Date: 2004-04-14 04:02
hehehe...my school learned the spaces on the bass clef according to the name of our rival, Arkansas City
Ark City Eats Garbage
Stephanie :o)
"Vita Brevis, Ars Longa"
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2004-04-14 04:23
From the American TV show "King of the Hill," on which Ani DiFranco was a guest:
Every Girl Band Deserves Funding
And Alexi,
The "Sub-tonic" is usually used to refer to the note/chord a WHOLE step below the tonic...i.e., in Cmajor, it's B-flat (as a chord, usually a major)...
Katrina
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2004-04-14 04:28
In many circumstances, the ii (or ii diminished) also functions as the subdominant. It, like the IV, leads to the V (or vii, if you're so inclined).
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
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Author: Tom A
Date: 2004-04-14 05:57
Just staying on the subdominant for a moment, I believe it's called that because it's subordinate in imprtance to the dominant, not because it's one step lower on the scale.
The mediant (3rd) and submediant (6th) seem to follow this, as they are not next to each other in the scale. The one is the inversion of the other and the 3rd would seem to be the more important of the two as it determines the tonality of a triad.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2004-04-14 06:21
William the Conqueror said:
> Just staying on the subdominant for a moment,
> I believe it's called that because it's subordinate
> in imprtance to the dominant, not because it's
> one step lower on the scale.
The terminology for the tones of the scale, each has a name that describes its role in the chords.
The second note of the scale, "re" is called supertonic, meaning "above the tonic."
The third note of the scale, "mi" is called the mediant, is the middle note of the chord based on the tonic.
The fourth note of the scale, "fa", is called the subdominant (or the "dominant below"), since it is as far below the tonic as the dominant is above it.
The fifth note of the scale, "sol", is called the dominant, since it takes the highest position in the chord based on the tonic.
The sixth note of the scale, "la", is called the submediant, since it is as far below the tonic as the mediant is above it.
The seventh note of the scale, "ti", is called the leading tone because of its strong tendency to lead to the upper tonic.
All clear now? ...GBK
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Author: diz
Date: 2004-04-14 06:35
GBK your explanation does not accurately detail the fact that the submediant is a silly name as it is NOT, in fact, below the mediant (the third) but it's one of those charming anomalies of music, I guess.
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2004-04-14 06:41
Diz... That's basically what I explained (probably a bit too wordy though).
The submediant (or the "lower mediant") is the third tone down from the tonic...GBK
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Author: GBK
Date: 2004-04-14 06:44
Alexi said:
> So if anything I would have expected B to be
> a "sub-tonic" or some sort.
The term subtonic is used only to designate the seventh degree of the natural minor scale (a whole step below the tonic)...GBK
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2004-04-14 06:47
Very interesting theory stuff here. Thanks Katrina and GBK on your explanations/corrections on the sub-tonic.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Tom A
Date: 2004-04-14 06:51
Thank you GBK, that makes sense. I'll take the consolation prize for bringing up the inversion idea for the relationship between mediant and submediant. And you really should get to bed earlier. 
Diz, I think in that explanation it's the term "submediant" that makes sense given those rules of terminology. It's just a confusing (but convenient) coincidence that the subdominant, being the inversion of the dominant, also happens to be one step below it.
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Author: claclaws
Date: 2004-04-15 11:36
Thanks, sfalexi and GBK, for the tone explanation. It's of great help, especially the explanation with do, re,mi...instead of the alphabets.
I can't say I understood ALL the discussion under the thread, as it's not a simple matter(It needs mathematical skills? or else one gets confused and lost..). Maybe that's what makes music more interesting.
Lucy Lee Jang
Post Edited (2004-04-15 13:28)
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Author: Brenda
Date: 2004-04-16 15:15
Diz, if you don't mind my stepping on your toes a little, I'll tread gently - what I read into GBK's "wordy" is that he's referring to himself being a little wordy in his explanation. Although, to be fair to GBK, it's a good refresher on what we had drummed into us in theory classes. Basics like this should be made up into posters for all music teachers to put in a prominent place on the wall of their teaching studios alongside the Circle of Fifths (running to the yellow pages to look up a fair-priced printer!).
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