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Author: clarinetgal
Date: 2004-04-11 21:56
I am looking for a jazz clarinet,and, already have several. First, does anyone know which " older "Leblanc models have large bores?
I have a Selmer series 9, and an "L" seies on the way. Like the focus of my classic model Leblanc. Does anyone know much about this model.Thanks, C
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2004-04-11 22:26
You already have two winners out of the pack.
I think the Selmer series 9 (no star beneath the logo) was a brilliant design.
It's flexible, tunes well and has real dynamic control (with the right player).
The LeBlanc 'LL' , Pete Fountain signature and Dynamic H models all had bores larger than 14.75 mm.
If you get enough practice with them, they'll serve you under any chart.
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2004-04-11 23:09
Hi,
I have a LeBlanc Dynamic 2 that is a large bore clarinet. Great instrument. I have both a Series 9 and a 9* (the 9* plays much better in tune and was intended to be Selmer's R-13).
I was not aware that the LL wasa large bore clarinet.
HRL
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2004-04-11 23:18
In my leblanc catalogue it shows the LL series to have a bore of 14.80 mm.
US Army Japan Band
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Author: leonardA
Date: 2004-04-12 12:10
I have a Leblanc Noblet which is 14.84. It has a nice tone.
Leonard
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2004-04-12 14:00
We have discussed [nominal] bore sizes of commonly available clarinets made by Selmer, LeBlanc, Buffet and Boosey & Hawkes frequently in the past, however I dont recall much re: Yamaha and the higher-priced insts. So, IMHO, a bit of searching and reading in Lee Gibson's "Clarinet Acoustics" and some in Brymer, Lawson, et al {the tables showing bore history, including bore variations/perturbations [Gibson's terminology]} , should answer most questions. I have several 15.0 mm and several 14.8 's and dont find much "playing difference" among them. What small bore Buffets [14.6's] I have played on, do seem to be quite different. Classics and Jazz can be played on all, IMHO. Just my thots, on this interesting research! Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: clarinetgal
Date: 2004-04-12 14:18
Thank you all for responding so quickly. I am just beginning to "get serious " about my playing and the differences equipment can make.
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Author: clarinetgal
Date: 2004-04-12 14:23
Hi Leonard.Thanks for the info. I also have 2 Noblets. I think they are great .Can you tell me which serial # series you say is large bore. I may already have one and don't know it. Cheryl
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2004-04-12 14:28
The largest-bore clarinets of which I'm aware are the Leblanc "Pete Fountain" and the out-of-production Boosey & Hawkes "Symphony 1010" (which came in at around 15.2 mm).
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Author: Tom Piercy
Date: 2004-04-12 14:54
Peter Eaton and Luis Rossi continue to make large bore clarinets (both of which are based on the B&H 1010).
from above:"I am looking for a jazz clarinet"
Jazz can be performed on either a large bore or small bore clarinet.
Tom Piercy
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2004-04-12 15:25
Rite, Dave, 15.0 mm seems to be about the maximun Fr/US bore. Gibson shows the B&H 1010 at 15.3 and I recall some much older cls [in Rendall?] at even larger [nominal, in areas?] diameter. G and Benade, earlier, also discuss the "modal ratio" [clarion 12th's] tuning problems. Those [apparently] gave rise to the many [curative?] ideas of polycylindrical, conical, reversed-cone, et al bores of the top of the upper joint, barrel, and even mouthpieces. I'm still trying to track-down some of those ideas via the patent art [ARR], need to go to France/Germany !!! Most is prob. in the form of manufacturer's secrets, but their results can be measured ! Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: paulwl
Date: 2004-04-12 23:19
(Tom Piercy) >> Jazz can be performed on either a large bore or small bore clarinet. <<
True. Classical players of course used large-bores back when they were the only game in town. Now that the orchestral standard has moved to small-bores, it's no longer appropriate.
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Author: Tom Piercy
Date: 2004-04-12 23:42
paulw: "no longer appropriate" ?
No longer appropriate for what or whom?
There are still many orchestral players, chamber musicians and soloists performing classical music on large bore instruments. The Eaton and Rossi large bore instruments are used in quite a few classical settings; most of the purchasers of these fine instruments are classical musicians.
Tom Piercy
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Author: paulwl
Date: 2004-04-13 00:29
>> No longer appropriate for what or whom? <<
No longer appropriate for conductors, teachers, etc., who feel that the small-bore sound is more "correct." And obviously many do.
(Of course, I'm all for players being musically "incorrect" if they can bring it off musically.)
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Author: Tom Piercy
Date: 2004-04-13 00:45
paulwl: "correct" ??
"Musically incorrect" ??
Define "correct," and "musically incorrect" please.
Not all players use the same type instrument with the same bore size as evidenced by the many different types of clarinet makes and models in use today throughout the world.
The large bore instruments for classical repertoire are a somewhat, but certainly not exclusively, English preference. There are many wonderful players and teachers throughout the world working, and playing for conductors, on large bore instruments. Are you saying they, and other players that don't play on the "small-bore" instruments are "inappropriate" and "musically incorrect" to be performing on large bore instruments?
Tom Piercy
www.thomaspiercy.com
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Author: paulwl
Date: 2004-04-13 16:39
Not at all. I'm saying that it depends on what the conductor wants, and that is far less often an individual choice than one imposed by tradition and teaching - ie: "correctness."
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