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Author: wyatt
Date: 2004-04-05 15:43
if you were going to buy a new horn (Bb) which one would you pick between these two fine horn and why.
thanks›
bob gardner}ÜJ
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Author: Wayne Thompson
Date: 2004-04-05 18:41
These two brands are not quite in the same market so the comparison must be a lillle forced. Though Patricola is said to be hand made, they have a higher output than Rossi, and probably not so much customizing or style choices. And they cost less. Good things are said about both. If I was buying tomorrow, in my current economic situation, I would buy Patricola in a heartbeat; I've seen them and played them and they are sweet. If I win the lottery tonight, I would seriously consider Rossi (and Howarth and Fox and Chadash and whoever else) before springing for Patricola.
WT
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2004-04-05 21:19
"Though Patricola is said to be hand made, they have a higher output than Rossi"
Maybe they just have more employees? Higher output doesn't necessarily imply lower quality. Neither does lower price. For example: Stephen Fox charges a LOT less that most individual European makers.
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Author: kenabbott
Date: 2004-04-05 23:14
I have both (in rosewood).
No contest: Rossi wins, hands down.
While the action on the Patricola is nice, it is not nearly as clean as the Rossi. Furthermore, the intonation on the Rossi is superior (except for up north of high c). Both have keywork to overcome stuffiness in the throat Bb, but it is only partially effective on the Patricola.
To be sure, the Rossi is MUCH more expensive, usually going for more than $3500 and the Patricolas rarely reaching too much more than $1500 or so.
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Author: RAMman
Date: 2004-04-06 01:14
Is Patricola a US brand? Never heard of it here in the UK!
Rossi is a good make...a grown up choice. With Buffet launching the Tosca and Selmer improving all the time...the market is getting so competitive.
Saw the name Howarth above...don't bother, overpriced and copied fom various other sources!
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Author: Wayne Thompson
Date: 2004-04-06 04:18
Liquorice, I don't argue with your logic, of course, but Ken has given evidence to support what I was only assuming. Do I remember correctly, do you play Festivals?
Ken, off topic, forgive me, but what do you think about the rosewood? Is there a substantial difference from mpingo, or not?
Raman, Patricola is a smallish Italian company, making oboes and soprano clarinets. They are not common, but many good things have been said about them here on this bulletin board. A number of folks have mentioned them as great choices for C and Eb.
W
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Author: graham
Date: 2004-04-06 09:48
Howarth are copied are they? From which manufacturer did they copy their 14.75 mm bore design (i.e. the first one they issued)? True the narrow Howarth is pretty similar to all the other US narrow bore instruments, but they introduced that to get market share in the US, as did Eaton with the International. I recently heard someone playing a wider bore Howarth and it sounded very good indeed (never played one myself though).
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Author: RAMman
Date: 2004-04-06 12:44
Graham,
Your knowledge of the finer points of instrument design clearly outstrips mine.
I'm not talking about bore design etc...but their supposed 'revolutionary' ideas for things like keywork and bore hole position.
There is nothing on an S2 or S3 I haven't seen elsewhere before...hence my comment re copying.
There was nothing different enough about the instrument to persuade me to buy one...although Michael Collins played on one until receently...so I must have missed something!!
As for the wide bore and small bore debate...we could go on forever. Personally I'm all for the small bore.
Daniel.
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Author: kenabbott
Date: 2004-04-06 20:21
Wayne, I find the rosewood (cocobolo, actually) lends the tone a sweetness unlike that of a grenadilla clarinet. I don't think it projects as well,however. Ideal for chamber music, but not for big band work.
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Author: studioline
Date: 2004-04-06 22:09
RaMman, you've found the clarinet board then? And as for Rossi's being the grown up choice....quite!!! heehee
studioline.....
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Author: Bradley
Date: 2004-04-06 22:20
I've tried a pair of both the S2 and the S3 at Davie Cane, and they are truly wonderful clarinets. They are pretty innovative in their keywork to me, although a lot of the things I see on my Concerto II. They are very well made clarinets and I can't remember ever seeing as beautiful grain on any wooden clarinet- ever. They were obviously different to Leblancs, which I prefer over other brands and I found the S2 sort of "selmer-ish" in its feel. The funny thing is, while you are probably no more "pro small bore" than I am, I liked the .582 ( I believe that's the measurement) bore of the S2 more than the smaller bore of the S3 which was more like a Buffet RC to me.
Although they weren't really my style- I did appreciate them, and after I tried them the $7000+ price tag for a pair seemed a little less absurd and more "slightly overpriced".
Bradley
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Author: RAMman
Date: 2004-04-06 22:45
Mr. Eminson??
I knew you had found your way on here when I saw your article about your Rossis!
"Very confortable for your fingers" - ahhh, I'm so pleased for you!!
Come here often?
What about saying: "The most amazing player I have ever heard, or had the pleasure of talking to, gave me a recommendation, and I had to take him up on it...it would've been foolish to ignore the advice of such a player!"
<cough>
Have to watch what I say on here now!!!
Dan.
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