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Author: Tim2
Date: 1999-12-09 00:00
When I played this in high school, I remember the clarinet part being written in A minor. It started on a high E.
I just bought the Sixteen Grande Solos de Concert. This is one of them (to my surprise). It is in the key of B minor.
My question is about the key it is meant to be played in. Please, no one tell me to transpose into all keys or that I can play it in what ever key I want. I only want to know that B minor is the key the Bb clarinet needs to play this because it was meant to be performed in concert A minor. (This means I'm gonna' have to learn this puppy up a step now. I already see a couple problems)
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Author: Dave Blumberg
Date: 1999-12-09 01:06
Sometimes it is how it lays, and the timbre on the Clarinet that should dictate the key to play in. Inputting my 2 cents, do I get change for it?
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Author: Tim2
Date: 1999-12-09 02:55
I guess I was a bit surprised to see this printed in B minor. I know people transpose things all the time to make them more accessible. That must be what was done with what I played in High School. I remember the high E being the first note and high F being the top note of the piece.
Authenticity is in the eyes of the performer?
This piece is part of a larger work. The key of this piece in the larger work is what I am looking for. It's not just for clarinet, is it?
I see at the top of the piece here in the Sixteen Solos de Concours, it has Rimsky-Korsakoff as the composer and no arranger. That tells me that Rimsky-Korsakoff actually wrote this out for clarinet and piano (as it states at the top)? The actual notes written are his, hey?
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Author: peter
Date: 1999-12-09 03:43
My copy is from the international music company ,
and was transcribed and edited by Jerry Kirkbridge, and just to complicate matters it is in the key of G minor for the clarinet.
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Author: Tim2
Date: 1999-12-09 03:59
peter wrote:
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My copy is from the international music company ,
and was transcribed and edited by Jerry Kirkbridge, and just to complicate matters it is in the key of G minor for the clarinet.
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Thanks, Peter. Your copy has an editor. Mine doesn't. I can see where putting it down a couple steps would make the high parts more accessible. It only adds support to my belief now that Nikki R-K wants this piece to be in concert a minor.
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Author: Jessica
Date: 1999-12-09 04:05
I play the Jascha Heifetz arrangement for violin and piano, also in A minor. I transpose up a step, to B minor on the clarinet.
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Author: Mike
Date: 1999-12-09 13:23
Just to throw a neat twist to this thread I suggest that you learn to play FotB articulated like Robert Spring. Circular breathing will help a great deal. I heard in do is at a concert and it is AMAZING. Also, if you go look up some info on FotB you will find that it was most likely written for Cello....
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Author: William
Date: 1999-12-09 14:08
My old piano accompanied solo arrangement is in concert g nm. The band accompanied arrangement that our middle school did is in concert a min. And remember that, while tongueing every single note is very impressive, the original music employes a judicious amount of slur and is a little more musical. the buzz word here should be flight, not blight. :>) Enjoy!!!!
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Author: steve
Date: 1999-12-09 14:14
mike said: "Just to throw a neat twist to this thread I suggest that you learn to play FotB articulated like Robert Spring. Circular breathing will help a great deal. I heard in do is at a concert and it is AMAZING."
hmmmmm...to put another twist on the thread, I'd like to suggest that FotB has no inherent musical value (of course add imho to this statement), and virtuoso performances (arrangements for clarinet, tuba, accordion, ad nauseum) are merely "look at me play real fast" vehicles....sort of like too many donuts...I have a nightmare fantasy of being asked to judge a high school solo and ensemble contest for contra bass clarinet followed by trombone....all of the students are required to play an arrangement of FotB and I have to listen for 6-8 hours....:0
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Author: Dave Blumberg
Date: 1999-12-09 14:54
uh Tim, the 16 Solos book was edited by Bonade. It's on the front cover!!
I did the Accompaniment for it:
http://www.mytempo.com/frontclarinetpage.htm
Tim2 wrote:
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I guess I was a bit surprised to see this printed in B minor. I know people transpose things all the time to make them more accessible. That must be what was done with what I played in High School. I remember the high E being the first note and high F being the top note of the piece.
Authenticity is in the eyes of the performer?
This piece is part of a larger work. The key of this piece in the larger work is what I am looking for. It's not just for clarinet, is it?
I see at the top of the piece here in the Sixteen Solos de Concours, it has Rimsky-Korsakoff as the composer and no arranger. That tells me that Rimsky-Korsakoff actually wrote this out for clarinet and piano (as it states at the top)? The actual notes written are his, hey?
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Author: Ken Shaw
Date: 1999-12-09 17:28
Tim2 wrote:
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When I played this in high school, I remember the clarinet part being written in A minor. It started on a high E.
I just bought the Sixteen Grande Solos de Concert. This is one of them (to my surprise). It is in the key of B minor.
My question is about the key it is meant to be played in. Please, no one tell me to transpose into all keys or that I can play it in what ever key I want. I only want to know that B minor is the key the Bb clarinet needs to play this because it was meant to be performed in concert A minor. (This means I'm gonna' have to learn this puppy up a step now. I already see a couple problems)
Tim -
The piece is an intermezzo from the opera Tsar Saltan by Rimsky-Korsakov. It was originally written for violin but has been arranged for nearly every instrument. There's no "real" key for clarinet. Play it in whatever key works best for you. For a good description, go to
<A HREF=http:http://www.classiccd.com/reference/works/r/rimsky-bee.html>http://www.classiccd.com/reference/works/r/rimsky-bee.html<A>
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Ken Shaw
Date: 1999-12-09 17:41
Double AARRGGHH. OK, Mark, I put http:// in along with the rest of the full address and it STILL prepended the sneezy domain name. That is, I put in (parentheses substituted for the < and >) (A HREF=http:http://www.classiccd.com/reference/works/r/rimsky-bee.html)http://www.classiccd.com/reference/works/r/rimsky-bee.html(A)
Is it the http:http://? If not, HELP.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 1999-12-09 17:58
Ken - the href should look like:
<A HREF=http://www.classiccd.com/reference/works/r/rimsky-bee.html>http://www.classiccd.com/reference/works/r/rimsky-bee.html</A>
which would have, had I not forced the < and > to be printing characters, resulted in:
<A HREF=http://www.classiccd.com/reference/works/r/rimsky-bee.html>http://www.classiccd.com/reference/works/r/rimsky-bee.html</A>.
:^)
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Author: Tim2
Date: 1999-12-09 19:51
Dave Blumberg wrote:
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uh Tim, the 16 Solos book was edited by Bonade. It's on the front cover!!
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I stand corrected (the sting was not too bad). Only looked at the top of the first page.
I _am_ going to learn this in A minor concert. And we're not going to tongue every note either. I'll leave that to Robert Spring.
Thanks to everyone for all your information of every kind.
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Author: Willie
Date: 1999-12-10 01:52
I think FofB would be interesting for trombone, in three part harmony, in alto clef. Get out the Absorbine Jr.
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Author: Alec Thigpen
Date: 1999-12-10 15:46
I have a recording of Urbie Green playing this piece with 21 trombonists, and it is performed quite nicely. They were the cream of the crop studio guys from the 70's.
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