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 Different cultural upbringing affecting technique
Author: sfalexi 
Date:   2004-03-05 04:38

I just thought I'd start a little topic of interesting note. Something that I realized while speaking with someone in my chamber ensemble class.

We talked about matching our tongues with finger placement during quick staccato runs. She plays sax, I play the clarinet (for those of you who didn't know[wink]). I told her that for me it seemed much easier for me to play evenly and precisely when I was 'lifting' the fingers off the tone holes. However coming down, often my timing between tongue and fingers is easier thrown off. For her it was the complete opposite.

The reason she proposed, which sounds logical to me, is that she's from China. And in China, when counting on your hands from one to ten, you start with all fingers pointing up, then close the fingers as you count. So at one, nine digits are up now (and one was down). At five, five fingers have closed into a fist. And she said it was probably because her finger muscles easier associated counting and timing while closing the fingers.

As most know, in the US where I am, it's usually opposite. We start with closed fists and extend the fingers as we count. So our muscle memory/timing should naturally be easier to raise a finger off a tone hole.

Comments on this anyone? Anyone feel or see examples of things like this? I just thought it was a good theory and could be an interesting topic. I'll keep something like this in mind when I have to write a paper or something (doctoral discertation anyone[up]?).


Alexi

US Army Japan Band

Post Edited (2004-03-05 04:43)

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 Re: Different cultural upbringing affecting technique
Author: EEBaum 
Date:   2004-03-05 06:12

Hmm... I'm from the US and find it much easier to go down evenly. I tend to pull up when I lift my fingers (though much, much less than I used to), which causes a subtle tense uneasiness that throws off my timing slightly.

That said, I can't think of any examples but it makes perfect sense that people from different backgrounds have different types of aptitudes for certain techniques.

-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com

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 Re: Different cultural upbringing affecting technique
Author: donald 
Date:   2004-03-05 07:47

i have have spent such a small percentage of my life counting on my fingers. i just randomly polled about 10 people- none of whom can remember ever counting on their fingers for hours on end, and thus exercising their powers of coordination. The general consensus is, however, that it took an astute mind to come up with this theory.

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 Re: Different cultural upbringing affecting technique
Author: sfalexi 
Date:   2004-03-05 08:08

You don't have to do it for hours on end. Just that that particular movement is more familiar is all that was getting at. And I always count on my fingers. When counting measures rests, when keeping track of things that I'm trying to count without a pencil and paper to make sure that I don't forget the last number I was on. Well, I just thought it was interesting. Maybe it is part of the reason, maybe it's not. Just interesting to think about nonetheless.

US Army Japan Band

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 Re: Different cultural upbringing affecting technique
Author: Synonymous Botch 
Date:   2004-03-05 12:27

I get into trouble when asked to count past ten...

Yi
Er
San
Si
Wu...yadda yadda


Vocal training makes more difference than how you wiggle digits...
it's a WIND instrument.

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 Re: Different cultural upbringing affecting technique
Author: BobD 
Date:   2004-03-05 13:03

Interesting theory...but I'm still struggling with transcribing.

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 Re: Different cultural upbringing affecting technique
Author: Keil 
Date:   2004-03-05 23:40

While one's culture may or may not affect finger coordination there is the question of articulation and tone due to language. Since we associate articulation with tongue position and vowel sounds, etc. It's entirely possible that the vowels we American English speakers use to facilitate "clean" articulation are relatively if not completely different than say someone who's first language is Chinese. I'm sure there are vowel as well as consonant sounds that the chinese language both utilizes and eliminates that we American English speakers might or might not have. To me it's all very interesting how one's language can affect one's concept of articulation as well as point of articulation.

BTW, i stress "American" English only because the variants between American English, British English, Australian English, etc may allow for other variations in vowel pronunciation. Even within the United States we have varying dialects/idiolects which don't necessarily translate into other regions of America. Isn't individuality a beautiful thing!?

Cheers

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