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Author: Tim2
Date: 1999-02-18 03:09
Knowing that things get so technical here at the board on reeds and specs for instruments, I am hoping someone will have a trick or something I have not been able to come upon.
In learning the 2nd (final) mvt of the Bernstein Sonata, I have difficulty after "U" counting securly. I have not been able to find a pattern that will take the cumbersomeness away. I can play all the notes but in the excitement, I know they are not in tempo as written.
I have been trying to keep the group of five as the primary feeling of the tempo. Perhaps I need to keep track of 3's and 2's instead. As I am writing this, I can see that 2, 2, and 3 will give me the 7/8 measure.
To someone who has played this, what do you do? Experience?
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Author: Dee
Date: 1999-02-18 12:11
While I haven't played this piece I find that odd time signatures like 5/8 usually work best counted 1,2,3, 1,2 or 1,2, 1,2,3 depending on the note pattern. For 7/8, it usually seems work well to count as 4 & 3 or 3 & 4 again depending on the note pattern.
Our community band is working on a piece right now that has both of these key signatures.
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Author: Bonnie
Date: 1999-02-18 16:27
Just a suggestion, but when I worked on this piece, I finally ended up feeling the pulse of two, however uneven. This kind of goes along with what Dee said about counting 123-12, etc. But after you do that in a slow tempo, it is similiar to a quick 6/8 where you eventually go into 2. If you tap your foot, try doing it on 1 and 3, or 1 and 4, depending upon what the grouping is in that measure. It's been awhile, but the Bernstein is still one of my favorites!
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Author: Evan
Date: 1999-02-19 00:38
What usually helps me is to get what it sounds like.
There is a clarinet midi page at
www.execpc.com/~klimowic/index.html
If it is not on that page I would highly suggest commiting it to a midi file so you can hear in your mind when you play it
Evan
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Author: Carolyn
Date: 1999-02-19 05:25
Tim,
I have not performed the piece, but my teacher lent me a copy recently. I think the best way to count in the 5/8 section is 12-123 or 123-12 for each measure. And at the 7/8 bar the count would be 12-12-123 like you were thinking.
In any case, to learn the part you could practice the section slowly giving one beat to each eighth note, since that should stay constant even though the time sig is changing. Then, just keep speeding it up and then maybe you can figure out the best pulse.
Hope that helped a little,
Carolyn
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Author: Katherine Pincock
Date: 1999-02-20 13:46
My boyfriend has been working on this piece and counting is the big thing that our teacher talked about with him. It definitely has to be counted in a group of two or a group of three, whichever suits the bar the best. If I remember correctly, the eighth notes are beamed in the groups you should count. That should make it a lot easier for you.
On the other hand, you've now made me all jealous because I've wanted to play that piece for ages! ;-)
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