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Author: markeymark
Date: 2004-02-03 04:00
I recently purchased from an auction more than 100 clarinet barrels of various sizes and brand names and materials. Some new - some old. Some are "bevelled" alot, others straight as an arrow. Some with sterling rings etc.
So I have a couple of questions for the experts out there:
1. How does the tone change from a bevelled (is there a more technical term) to a straighter barrel.
2. Does anyone put an ebonite barrel on a wooden clarinet?
3. My sizes range from 60mill to 68. Who would use a 60 mill barrel?
4. What are these things worth?
Does anyone recognize the following brands?
carlfischer artiste model NY
prufer
B Alonzo Leach pro
standish
Thanks in advnce for your help.
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2004-02-03 04:36
Well, my new clarinet has a longer upper joint with a shorter barrel. So a 60 mm barrel would be good for me. Also, perhaps for a C clarinet. As far as an ebonite barrel, sure you can use it. Material isn't as important as how it's made. Walter Grabner (sponsor of the site) offers delrin barrels and he's a well respected barrel maker. Stephen Fox, a maker of clarinets, offers delrin clarinets. he admits them to have no difference except for being more durable and resistant to atmospheric changes.
I bet you're the same one who raised the bar too high for me on that 59mm Malerne clarinet barrel on ebay about a week ago! Darn it!
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2004-02-03 16:44
The term is "tapered" when referring to the internal bore.
The amount is about 0.001 inch or slightly more, so hard to see without measuring devices (I use a telescoping gage and digital micrometer).
I bid on that lot (as clarinetcaviar) but you won...so have fun with them).
Disclaimer...I make and sell barrels on a sporadic basis, but I do not sell on this board.
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Author: Burt
Date: 2004-02-03 20:29
1. I don't think tone changes as much as intonation - throat tones and the size of the twelfth (interval between lowest and second register). The Moennig bore is a common example of a tapered bore. The Moennig bore (vs original Accubore) reduced the size of the twelfth on my R13.
2. My wood and metal (Accubore) barrels I use on my R13 won't fit on my Normandy ebonite. If it fits, no reason why not, except that it probably wouldn't sound as good as a wood barrel. But try and find out.
3. Sfalexi and likely some others.
4. Try selling some, for example, on ebay. From what I've seen, new barrels start at $50.
I never heard of the brands you listed.
Hope this helps...
Burt
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Author: Pete
Date: 2004-02-03 20:50
1. Barrels are made for specific instruments so the likley hood that any of the barrels that you bought will improve your instrument is close to nil. This brings to mind one of my basic rules of custominzing on instruments.
Nothing comes for nothing. If you change one thing for the better, you will change at least one other thing for the worse. For instance, if you find a barrel or modify a barrel to say change your pitch in the throat tones, you will change something else on the instrument in a negative direction. Hopefully, you can make your improvement in such a way that your new negatives are minor enough that they will not bother you.
Arguing taper versus straight bore is use less without knowing your whole set up and problems you are trying to solve.
2. Lots of people use Ebonite and plastic barrels with wood clarinets with great success. The quality of the manufacturing process has a much greater effect than the material by itself. There are a lot of good plastic clarinets out there, and there are a lot of bad wood clarinets out there. Wow, could we get into a discussion here on stabilizing wood?
3. Who uses a 60 ml barrel? Someone who plays in a group with a concertina tuned to A-450. The same player has probably blown enough cigar smoke through the horn that his tone holes are only about half the original size.
4. The value is whatever you can get for them.
I still see some Prufer and Carl Fisher clarinets on occasion, but they are usually in horrible condition.
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Author: Mark P
Date: 2004-02-05 14:34
If you've got a Gunckel barrel in there I'd be interested, need one to complete a Gunckel Mueller system.
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