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Author: Sam Wiley
Date: 2004-01-27 23:52
[ Sam should have asked about posting something like this before he actually wrote it up, since it covers a probable sale on eBay. However, I'm going to let this one pass since I believe he's trying to perform a good-faith effort in identifying his clarinet before sale. I am not endorsing this sale in any way, just letting anyone who might have some information on dating this clarinet help out. Mark C. ]
I am preparing to post an Evette & Schaeffer clarinet on EBay, and want to have some confidence that I am presenting it accurately.
It is marked as Evette & Schaeffer Paris, France Modele Buffet Crampon Made in France
It has a serial number of K23xx. From what I can gather from various posts, this would put its manufacture date probably somewhere in the ‘40s. (Postings list serial numbers for K4000 in 1952. A K4xx was apparently dated 1942 and K179 as 1930?)
The throat G# key has a small adjusting screw. G# and A keys share a post. On the lower joint, the left-hand (cluster) E/B and F#/C# levers each have their own pivot post.
I do not see any markings referring to this as a “Master.” So I plan to strictly offer it as being a high-end intermediate instrument.
I don’t know if the barrel was replaced at some time. While it has the same E&S markings as the rest, it does not have a serial number. What leads me to believe that it is a replacement is that the color does not match. All of the rest of the body is black wood, but the barrel shows some brown/reddish brown grain. I don’t believe the color difference to be a matter of wear.
I recently had its pads and adjustments done professionally. So, it seems to be in good shape. I am not personally a clarinet player, so I have had others play it to see that they had no complaints.
Any other information or suggestions that you can offer would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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Author: Sam Wiley
Date: 2004-01-28 04:07
Thank you for allowing my post. I never even thought about any other implications. I will keep this in mind in the future.
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Author: jbutler ★2017
Date: 2004-01-29 01:25
40's clarinet would not have the polycylindrical bore and undercut tone holes that would be appealing to most. Intonation is most important. Some of the older K series had real intonation problems in the RH notes. You might offer a 3,5, or 7 day trial period to buyer so that they have time to test the instrument.
jbutler
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2004-02-06 19:55
>>>>40's clarinet would not have the polycylindrical bore and undercut tone holes that would be appealing to most.<<<<
30's-40's professional 'Buffet Crampon' and 'Evette & Schaeffer' clarinets DO have undercut tone holes. As a matter of fact tone holes are undercut more drastically than those found on Buffet polycylindrical instruments. IMO. Buffet did not care much about big bore and no undercutting Selmers, Conns etc.
Vytas Krass
Pro clarinet technician
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Author: Sam Wiley
Date: 2004-02-08 03:27
>>>>30's-40's professional 'Buffet Crampon' and 'Evette & Schaeffer' clarinets DO have undercut tone holes<<<<<
This one does appear to have undercut tone holes. Does this mean that it is a professional model, rather than just an advanced intermediate model? Or, does it just mean that it also happens to have undercut tone holes?
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2004-02-08 17:21
Evette & Schaeffer was a step below the professional model. If it makes you feel better you can call it a 'semiprofessional' model.
Vytas Krass
Pro clarinet technician
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Author: Sam Wiley
Date: 2004-02-08 17:44
Thank you for clarifying that. My Mistake. I read "professional 'Buffet Crampon' and 'Evette & Schaeffer' clarinets" as professional ('Buffet Crampon' and 'Evette & Schaeffer') clarinets rather than (professional 'Buffet Crampon') and ('Evette & Schaeffer') clarinets.
I would also like to thank you, and everyone who has posted or replied, for the time that they have taken to help cure my ignorance. I do greatly appreciate it. It has been a truly fascinating journey.
Thank you again
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2004-02-08 21:07
>>>>While it has the same E&S markings as the rest, it does not have a serial number. What leads me to believe that it is a replacement is that the color does not match. All of the rest of the body is black wood, but the barrel shows some brown/reddish brown grain.<<<<
The Upper-Joint and the Lower-Joint should have a serial number. The Barrel and the Bell do not have a serial numbers just the same E&S logo.
By the way the barrel might be original.
Vytas Krass
Pro clarinet technician
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2004-02-09 13:31
My experience with the Evette and Schaeffer clarinets of this vintage has not been too positive...I find the smaller bore clarinets even with undercutting to have a dissapointingly small sound and tuning problems in a number of areas...lord know even the R13s of the early 50s had alot of trouble until Moennig got his hands on them/
Another concern is whether the barrell is indeed an original and I would certainly verify this with any seller...this alone will be a cheif factor in the response and tuning of this clarinet.
Pro clarinetist
David Dow
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