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Author: LeWhite
Date: 2003-12-03 00:07
I was wondering if anyone could help me out whether with inspiring words or recommendations to printed material I could use.
I've just finished 1st year, and I've gone about a week and only played about 3 times so far. In late January, I have an audition for my Youth Orchestra which I've auditioned for for 4 years running... And this year I think I'm in with a chance for once, if I PRACTISE RIGHT!
But how do I get into a routine and work towards a goal if I don't really have any, they're all so far away?
Also, does anyone know of any good books of exercises (studies, not tech work, I have JeanJean etc. etc.) that are nice to play, a little difficult, and get MORE difficult? Something I could work on while I'm not having lessons?
I was think Baermann books, anything else I should be looking at?
It concerns me that so many people are doing Rose yet my teacher hasn't even mentioned the Rose books yet...
Thanks in advance everyone.
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2003-12-03 00:24
I'm thinking Baermann would fall into the "tech work" category. It's very technical and not very melodious. Simply scales and thirds and sixths and broken chords, etc. etc. in a variety of patterns. (But lots of people find it almost necessary for survival so you should probably pick up a copy anyway.)
I have the first book of the Rose Studies and that is definintely technical, but also nice to play. I can't vouch for much else. I also have Rubanks Second book of duets (volume II). Right up my alley as far as dificulty and it is fun to play. I play through a little bit of it every day just for some fun.
You might also want to check out Klose Complete Method (I think that's the name of it). It has everything from technical studies to etudes that apply what you've learned. Another highly recommended one from many.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
Post Edited (2003-12-03 00:25)
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Author: john gibson
Date: 2003-12-03 01:23
LeWhite
Depends on exactly how you want to play. Lot's of disciplined exercies help, but for me, to get the "feel" of music....I play along with recorded music. Try to match what's being played and add my own flourishes. Then again I'm an old guy just playing to satisfy my need for creativity.
John
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Author: LeWhite
Date: 2003-12-03 10:17
Mainly just looking for technical. Almost anyone can be a musician, but to be a clarinetist is another thing altogether....
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Author: msloss
Date: 2003-12-03 12:19
Unless you are an absolute god of clarinet, January is really not that far away when it comes to practicing for an audition. Get the list and start working on it, and of course all the fundamentals discussed a million times here. That should be all the motivation you need. If that doesn't do it, grab a recording of your favorite orchestral clarinetist and listen.
Greg Smith posted a link to a good resource site a while back that I offer again here:
http://www.clarinet-saxophone.asn.au/index_articles.htm
Pay special attention to the James Gholson interview with Robert Marcellus, and in particular the syllabus in the article. There is enough good material there to keep any serious clarinet student busy for four years, if not an entire career.
Good luck with your auditions.
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Author: LeWhite
Date: 2003-12-03 12:32
Thanks! We receive excerpts 2 to 3 weeks before, so I really want to get my technical facility to the max before taking on this audition...!
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Author: msloss
Date: 2003-12-03 12:56
Put your hands on the International Music orchestral excerpts books (8 books in series that I'm aware of). In all likelihood, your audition list will be picked from what is in those books, so it is a great way to get a head start.
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Author: hans
Date: 2003-12-03 14:09
Re: "Almost anyone can be a musician, but to be a clarinetist is another thing altogether...."
If we are going to discuss who is more of a musician based on the instrument played, IMO piano players rank at or near the top: they read and play many simultaneous notes, with all fingers, over a range of seven octaves, with foot pedals, and read treble and bass clefs at the same time.
It makes playing one note at a time on a clarinet seem simple by comparison.
I agree with Larry, that "the goal of any so-called "clarinetist" would be to be a musician".
Hans
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2003-12-03 16:05
There's an old recollection back there... wasn't it Artie Shaw who reportedly said to Benny Goodman, "You're a Clarinetist; I'm a musician"?
Regards,
John
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Author: john gibson
Date: 2003-12-03 19:37
Larry, Hans, Jim,....
I was about to post back to LeWhite and ask the same question....
..."anyone can be a musician?"
Hardly.....Jim, you're right.....Benny and Artie were talking and Benny kept bugging Artie for comment on varying clarinetists of the day....and Artie told him....it doesn't make any difference about clarinets....You're a clarinetist....
I make music.....
Bottom line....as I believe Artie Shaw also pointed out.....the instrument is just the vehicle to make the music.....I've heard people make music out of the darndest thing.....frying pans....assorted glasses.....paper tubes.....
JG
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Author: GBK
Date: 2003-12-03 19:41
john gibson wrote:
> .....I've heard
> people make music out of the darndest thing.....frying
> pans....assorted glasses.....paper tubes.....
I suppose it all depends on how broad your definition of "music" is ...GBK ![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif)
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2003-12-03 21:09
john gibson wrote:
> .....I've heard
> people make music out of the darndest thing.....frying
> pans....assorted glasses.....paper tubes.....
Haven't you heard of the musical "stomp"? That's a GREAT example for music out of ordinary household objects (unless what goes behind the scenes is them sending out their garbage cans and frying pans to the best technicians in NYC to get properly "tuned" before performance )
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2003-12-03 21:45
Alexi's right --- some of my best playing was done on a cowbell, with a Top-40/wedding band (and it was a non-Brannenized cowbell).
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Author: diz
Date: 2003-12-03 21:52
cowbell? I'm thinking an Alipine symphony ... it's got a lovely part for cowbells - Mahler was rather partial to the odd cowbell or two, wasn't he?
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Author: hans
Date: 2003-12-04 03:00
Old oil drums make great musical instruments. I have some steel band recordings that are amazing.
Hans
Post Edited (2003-12-04 11:41)
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2003-12-04 03:48
And who can forget those good 'ol fashioned "hillbilly quartets" with their washboards and thimbles, gigantic jug with XXX on the side, banjo and last, but not least, the mouthharp (my personal favorite).
A great mixture of instruments vs household objects all collectively coming together to form one knee slapping, hootin' and hollerin', do-see-do-ing good time.
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Jim E.
Date: 2003-12-04 04:36
30 years ago I took a multi-disciplinary course in the arts in college. (What a waste of time it was, but was required for an elementary ed major of all things.) It was team taught, and one day the art professor on the team came into the classroom and set a used urinal on the teacher's desk and asked, "Is it art?" 20 minutes of discussion later he gave his answer that went sonething like this; "Art is what an artist does, and Glassboro State College (now Rowan U.) pays me to be an artist, therefore it IS art!"
The real question then is the degree of quality of the art. I wouldn't pay $5 to look at a urinal in a museum! (Except perhaps, a museum of plumbing technology!) A 4th grade beginner is a musician, but we all hope he/ she improves rapidly.
P.S. I wouldn't have wanted to have been the teacher who had the room next and taught from that desk!
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Author: LeWhite
Date: 2003-12-04 12:33
"Almost anyone can be a musician, but to be a clarinetist is another thing altogether"
Because... Anyone with creative flair and a little knowledge can create music, whether on an instrument or writing music. However, you can't freely communicate this unless you know your medium.
I was, more or less, born a musician - I can make music. However, I was not born a clarinetist. It is the latter that I must strive for, because I already know how to be a musician, but if I can perfect my medium, then I can express freely the musician within!
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Author: Tim P
Date: 2003-12-04 12:50
Jim E. said: I wouldn't pay $5 to look at a urinal in a museum! (Except perhaps, a museum of plumbing technology!
I once paid to see a musuem of toilet seats. Check it out the next time you are in San Antonio,TX. It has well over 200 hundred decorated toilets.
To keep this On Topic, I will mention that some were decorated with Musical instruments.
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