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Author: Rev. Avery
Date: 2003-11-22 23:23
Hi,
Hope this isn't something that has already been discussed to the fullest. I'm looking to build up my collection of jazz clarinet cds and am looking for suggestions.
Right now I have the B. Goodman Yale collection -- love it! I also have the Past Perfect 10 cd B. Goodman collection. This is an incredible collection. The reproduction they used in fantastic, plus the cds are 24 carat gold. Great set. I also have Eddie Daniels' Benny Rides Again.
Suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks
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Author: hans
Date: 2003-11-22 23:49
Rev,
Have you looked at Artie Shaw's work? Try to acquire his Clarinet Concerto, which is around nine minutes long. The sheet music for it is available, in case you want to play along.
Cheers,
Hans
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Author: Ed
Date: 2003-11-23 00:02
For some pretty traditional swing, check out stuff by Ken Peplowski. Get some Don Byron if you want a more contemporary take on the instrument. Frank Glover's CD Siamese Twins is available at cdbaby.com Brad Terry is not widely known, but a very good player. Some stuff is at the CDbaby site also at http://www.invisiblemusicrecords.com/ These should get you going, Enjoy!
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Author: John J. Moses
Date: 2003-11-23 18:16
Here's a pretty good list of Jazz clarinetists:
Achille Baquet
George Baquet
Sidney Bechet, (1897-1959)
Barney Bigard, (1906-1980)
Acker Bilk
Don Byron
Tony Coe
Dunstan Coulber
Eddie Daniels
Kenny Davern
Buddy DeFranco
Big Eye Louis Nelson Deslile
Johnny Dodds
Jimmy Dorsey, (1904-1957)
Billy Drewes
Pete Fountain, (born 1930)
Jimmy Giuffre
Benny Goodman, (1909-1986)
Edmond Hall
Jimmy Hamilton
Woody Herman
Leonard Hochman
Peanuts Hucko
Dink Johnson, (1892-1954)
Theo Jörgensmann
Eckard Koltermann
Jürgen Kupke
George Lewis
Ted Lewis
Joe Maneri
Joe Muranyi
Don Murray, (1904-1929)
Theo Nabicht
Jimmy Noone, (1895-1944)
Billy Novick
Alcide Nunez, (1884-1934)
Ken Peplowski
Alphonse Picou, (1878-1961)
Pee Wee Russell
Louis Sclavis
Artie Shaw, (born 1910)
Harry Shields, (1899-1971)
Larry Shields, (1893-1953)
Harry Skoler
Wilber Sweatman, (1882-1961)
Brad Terry
Gebhard Ullmann
Bob Wilbur
JJM
Légère Artist
Clark W. Fobes Artist
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Author: Rev. Avery
Date: 2003-11-23 19:20
Thanks JJM. That seems pretty thorough In all of those do you have a half a dozen or so jazz cds that are ones that really stick out to you?
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Author: ned
Date: 2003-11-23 22:12
This request comes up quite often on this BB and I usually reply with a list something like this:
Barney Bigard
Sidney Bechet
Albert Burbank
Omer Simeon
Johnny Dodds
Willie Humphrey
George Lewis
Albert Nicholas
Jimmy Noone
Edmond Hall
and the only two white blokes I can think of who fit into my list are:
Irving Fazola
Tony Parenti
These people pretty well started jazz clarinet history, the others like Goodman, Shaw, Daniels came sometime afterwards and I guess owe something to them.
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Author: John J. Moses
Date: 2003-11-23 23:13
Hi Rev. Avery:
From the list of jazzers above, I personally recommend:
Sidney Bechet, (1897-1959)
Barney Bigard, (1906-1980)
Don Byron
Eddie Daniels
Kenny Davern
Buddy DeFranco
Pete Fountain, (born 1930)
Jimmy Giuffre
Benny Goodman, (1909-1986)
Jimmy Hamilton
Woody Herman
Peanuts Hucko
Ken Peplowski
Artie Shaw, (born 1910)
Any one of their CDs that are available, would be good listening.
Good luck,
JJM
Légère Artist
Clark W. Fobes Artist
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2003-11-23 23:17
ACtually wasn't there a post a short while ago mentioning Paquito D'Rivera's CD called "The Clarinetist"? He's a jazz man. And quite good too.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2003-11-24 00:33
I believe we had a recent thread re: d'Rivera with Yo Yo Ma et al, playing Brazilian jazz [a CD?, on an NPR Perf. Today], GREAT, IMHO. I have copied a number of LP's by Shaw and Goodman onto cassettes, for auto use, have a CD of Eddie D's [heard and talked w: him!], Also a CD of the Langley Dixie group, courtesy of Ken Kolb, sure wish I could play like [or with] those REAL CATS! I cherish what memories I can still recall of hearing some of those listed greats, in PERSON. Take every opportunity!! Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: jack
Date: 2003-11-24 08:02
Ok Rev. Avery,
Great question but I think the responses have been somewhat lame. Long lists of names but that's it. And why would anyone reco Artie Shaw's Concerto in answer to your question?
So, here are some specifics, the real thing, swinging jazz music: Just a few classics that come to mind that are available right now on amazon or elsewhere.
The Essential Vic Dickenson: The essence of classic swing with Edmond Hall at his very best.
Ambassador Satch (Louis Armstrong): More great jazz with Edmond Hall.
Kid Ory: Legendary '44 - '45 Crescent Recordings on the GHB label: Memorable and moving New Orleans style with Omer Simeon at his best and some very nice Joe Darensbourg on a few tracks.
Jimmy Noone: Volume of Collectors from 1928 on. On Collectors Classics. Includes most of his classic numbers and a relatively unknown rendition of "King Joe". (In memory of King (Joe) Oliver.
George Lewis: The Oxford Series Vol. 2 on AMCD 22. Don't miss George Lewis. And this is one of his best outings. Meaning it's fantastic.
Art Pepper Plus Eleven: The best alto sax guy since Charlie Parker at his best with a couple of terrific clarinet numbers thrown in. Second only to Benny on clarinet, but nobody has a clue. And he rarely recorded on clarinet.
Paulo Moura & Os Batutas: Pixinguinha: BJAC 5019-2. Insinuating, swinging, intoxicating Brazilian jazz. It's just too much!
Edmond Hall: Petite Fleur: If you can find this out of print LP used, you will have a treasure.
You can probably find the "New Orleans Rhythum Kings" with Leon Rappalo on clarinet if you look around.
Bob Wilbur and Kenny Davern: Summit Reunion on Chiaroscuro: Two of the best together on clarinet and/or soprano sax.
Buddy Defranco: Get his Mosaic box set of the Verve recordings from his heyday. It's out of print but you can find it if you try.
Johnny Dodds: Never made a bad record. Get him on the Armstrong Hot Fives and Sevens.
It's late and that's enough for now.
Btw, A lot of the guys mentioned on the thread are simply not jazz musicians at all in terms of swinging authentic music in the jazz tradition. Byron, for instance, may play improvised music, but certainly not jazz. And the lists have left off innumerable fine players.
Jack
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2003-11-24 12:56
"swinging authentic music"?? Sounds like a bit of a dodgy definition of jazz to me! But thanks for your recommendations.
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Author: Ed
Date: 2003-11-24 14:18
While I agree that this list above has some great things, to say that this is the only thing that is "jazz" is off base in my opinion. It would imply that jazz is a music of the past. Music evolves. It reflects the times. Look at all of the various styles (baroque, classical, romantic, impressionist, etc) that constitute so called classical music. We could get into a big discussion on what is"jazz". Just because Byron doesn't play traditional swing does not mean it is not a jazz musician. He is a fine one indeed and could play anything he chooses with great virtuosity.
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Author: Rev. Avery
Date: 2003-11-24 17:10
It seems that some of my posts (bore and this one) stir up some feelings that I didn't mean to have happen. I'm sorry.
But, on the other hand I do appreciate the helpful responses.
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Author: jack
Date: 2003-11-24 17:27
Hey Ed,
I suppose you realize that jazz music has "evolved" and that several incarnations of jazz are included in the very sort list I provided earlier. But not all of what passes for evolving represents any sort of improving. It seems that jazz clarinet has evolved in terms of the bass clarinet much more than the soprano.
Check out:
Roland Kirk on "Blacknuss" (The Old Rugged Cross - Nothing can prepare
one for the beauty, intensity and triumph of this selection).
David Murray: Spirituals and/or Ballads for Bass Clarinet.
Eric Dolphy: Anything with bass clarinet.
Phil Woods on soprano clarinet: Phil Woods - Irio De Paula: Encontro (on
Jobim) - The Clarinet Album. Philology W 301.2
Some other fine soprano clarinet players currently active are: Evan Christopher, Eddie Daniels, Kenny Davern, Pete Fountain, Ken Peplowski, Dr. Michael White, Bob Wilbur and Allan Vache.
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Author: hans
Date: 2003-11-24 17:52
Jack Young,
I see no need to disparage those whose tastes in jazz differs from yours, since we are merely trying to help Rev by giving suggestions as he requested.
In answer to your silly question: "why would anyone reco Artie Shaw's Concerto in answer to your question?".
Obviously because I think it's good jazz.
Hans
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Author: Ed
Date: 2003-11-24 18:20
Thanks for the input, Jack. I agree with your assessment. I don't know if it is due to the fact that the bass clarinet is not so much in the mainstream as the clarinet, that it is often picked up by jazz sax players, that it did not have the place of prominence that the clarinet did in early jazz and swing, or that it has a different range of expressive qualities, it seems to have pushed the envelope more than the Bb clarinet.
It took a while for Byron's playing to grow on me. I have grown to really appreciate his contributions, especially since it is very different than most other players I have heard. He really runs the gamut. (BTW- his recording "Bug Music" is very traditional sounding for those who want to hear that side of him)
While not traditional, I would also like to recommend Michel Portal on the album, "Blow Up" with bandoneon player Richard Galliano. There is some great Tango and free playing.
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Author: Todd W.
Date: 2003-11-24 19:45
Dear Revised Avery ![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif) --
So many CDs, so little time.
Yes, any question here about jazz preferences (heck -- any clarinet-related subject) is sure to evoke some stong opinions from posters (including some who believe they hold the keys to the kingdom). That's good because someone's passion about a player I may never have heard of often leads me to hidden treasures.
You've got a lot of names to explore from this thread. One of the resources I find useful in sorting through lists such as this to find worthwhile CDs (that is, music I think I'd like) is the All Music Guide, which is available in printed and on-line forms. Their reviews of an artist's CD's (admittedly more opinions) usually give a brief synopsis of the person's stlye and place within jazz, including influences, contemporaries, and musicians/groups they have worked with. The AMG also has "jazz maps" sorted by instrument, placing some of the more well-known players chronologically and by style.
It's also worth typing the name of a player into a search engine such as google. You may find that the player or their recording company has a web site with audio samples that will give you some idea of the person's sound and style.
From your posts, you sound like an information junkie, like me. I'm afraid I've just added another temptation to your daily scheduling.
Todd W.
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Author: jack
Date: 2003-11-24 19:48
Hans,
Sorry my post referencing A. Shaw offended. I can see that my choice of words was indeed intemperate.
Jack
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Author: jack
Date: 2003-11-24 19:54
Ed,
I guess we will disagree on Byron. I bought it, thought it vapid and unmusical and dispensed with it.
I do plan to audition the artists you mentioned in your two posts.
Thanks.
Btw, I would go with D'Rivera as the #1 jazz clarinetist today.
Jack
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Author: Rev. Avery
Date: 2003-11-24 21:37
Jazz? Did somebody mention jazz? Would somebody please shut that guy up! ![[rotate]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smiley25.gif)
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Author: Wes
Date: 2003-11-25 00:30
Iji Kitamura is a good swinging jazz clarinetist. There are so many and some have only played a little jazz clarinet as, for example, Lester Young and Herschel Evans.
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Author: ned
Date: 2003-11-25 01:03
" Great question but I think the responses have been somewhat lame. Long lists of names but that's it"
Well..........we do our best. It takes time to write all that stuff Jack, and I don't have time to pull out all my favourites and do commentary.
I think the answer to the original question has been well and truly met and now it just means for the rev to check out these players and see for himself.
Incidentally, I think your summing up was quite good - I wish I could keep all that stuff in my head - I never was particularly good as a "front man" in the band, I prefer just to play.
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Author: Rev. Avery
Date: 2003-11-25 07:47
Yes, I have some Lester Young on clarinet. Good think he stuck with the sax
;)
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Author: Jeff Forman
Date: 2003-11-25 09:45
Rev. Avery - If it's New Orleans style/dixieland you are intersted in, try going to www.timlaughlin.com Tim is a great player and you might particularly want to listen to the cuts from his album with Tom Fisher (Sweet Georgia Brown is there) and Tim Morely (a fiddle player). I find Tim Laughlin to have great tone, great dexterity and wonderful taste. Those two CDs are among my favorite. He and Fisher do a version of Shine that knocks me out every time I listen to it. So dynamic with the clarinet and spoprano sax playing off of each other. A thing of beauty.
You might also want to go to www.jazzology.com where you will find a wealth of this kind of music.
I also agree re: Ken Pepplowski.
One more suggestion - Andy Sherwood - http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Sherwood,_Andy/
Andy palys with the US Coast Guard Band and his style is also clean and tasty.
Jeff
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Author: ken
Date: 2003-11-26 18:29
Another hot one is: Alvin Batiste, "Late" (1990, CD); a very fine hard bop effort indeed.
Other than that, most if not every “notable” straight/swing/Bop jazz clarinetist and recording in my library has been cited. However, here are a few additional Trad/Dixie industry giants we haven’t touched on, (or that I saw in a sea of names). Since the lion's share of my Trad/Dixie collection and influence is the Original Assunto Brothers Dukes of Dixieland, here are a few classics I highly recommend:
All Dukes of Dixieland and out of print LPs (1952-1962):
William "Bill" Shea: The Dukes of Dixieland #EG-7019 (1952)
Jack Maheu: Minstrel Time with the Dukes of Dixieland #AFLB-1861 (1957)
Harold Cooper: Vol 2, The Phenomenal... #AFLP-1840 (1957)
Eugene Bolen: Volume 10 Dukes at Carnegie Hall #AFLP-1918 (1959)
Gerald Fuller: Now Hear This #CL-1793 (1962)
And, a special thanks and appreciation to those posters recommending my own Dixieland group’s latest disc (title: “Dixie Parade” by the USAF Heritage of America Dixie Players"). For those interested, there are complimentary (FREE) CDs still available. Please use the information provided below and contact the organization directly. Disclaimer: This music CD is NOT FOR SALE and was 100% funded with American Taxpayer dollars through the cooperation of Air Force Public Affairs, U.S. Pentagon, and the Department of the U.S. Air Force. The product is distributed exclusively for the private use and entertainment of the American public and not to be duplicated and/or sold for profit.
On a personal note, to my best knowledge there were only 10,000 units pressed and they are going like hot cakes since the CD's release in late October. I would encourage all who want a unit to invest the few minutes to place their order (phone, email [website] or by fax) … once gone, and unless there’s a 2nd pressing (highly doubtful) this recording is history. v/r Ken
USAF HERITAGE OF AMERICA BAND
86 HICKORY ST
LANGLEY AFB VA 23665-2192
ATTN: BAND PUBLICITY OFFICE
VOICE: (757) 764-2931
FAX: (757) 764-7299
http://www.af.mil/accband/
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Author: GBK
Date: 2003-11-26 18:41
Although he is too modest to say, I highly recommend Ken's CD.
You won't find better Dixie playing anywhere...GBK
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Author: Carol Dutcher
Date: 2003-11-26 20:53
I spend a lot of time listening to jazz clarinet. I am now hooked on Kenny Davern but that's only for this week. Last week it was Benny Goodman at Basin Street. The week before it was Eddie Condon with Pee Wee Russell.
I think Evan Christopher is super.
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Author: Rev. Avery
Date: 2003-11-27 10:51
"I am now hooked on Kenny Davern but that's only for this week. The week before it was Eddie Condon with Pee Wee Russell."
Carol, what are the names of these cds? And others you might recommend.
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Author: KENOLD
Date: 2003-12-10 05:51
I went to the USAF website above and emailed a request for the CD “Dixie Parade” by the USAF Heritage of America Dixie Players. I received it on Saturday. It was free! Best of all these guys are really good!!
Hey Ken K, thanks for the tip.
Ken
Learn to perform even the things you don't like, as if you love to do them.
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Author: Rev. Avery
Date: 2003-12-10 08:07
Just sent them an email myself. That's really great of them to send the cd out for free! Hope I'm able to get one as well.
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2003-12-10 14:47
Hey, Rev: Surprised no one has mentioned it already. You need a copy of Eddie Daniels' CD "Breakthrough." If you don't like it, I will personally give you your money back. And I will never again think you are truly serious about either Jazz or the Clarinet. (As if you care what I think.... Anyway, I think Daniels is the best Clarinet player alive. My opinion, and I'm stickin' with it.)
Of course, there may be those who believe it isn't "real" Jazz. Oh, well....
Regards,
John
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Author: Rev. Avery
Date: 2003-12-10 15:45
Yes, I love Eddie Daniels. He's my favorite as well. (But, I do love Benny.) I can't find Breakthrough anywhere for sale. If anyone knows where to get it, please let me know.
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Author: ken
Date: 2003-12-10 17:08
KENOLD wrote: "Hey Ken K, thanks for the tip."
--mission accomplished, Thanks Ken! v/r Ken Kolb ![[up]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smiley24.gif)
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Author: Rev. Avery
Date: 2003-12-10 19:44
Just picked up Breakthrough at a good price, actually. Of course now that I bought one it'll come out on 24 bit!
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Author: martin
Date: 2003-12-10 22:38
Some kennys...
Kenny Davern and the Rhythm Men
Kenny Davern at the Mill Hill Playhouse
Smiles
Kenny has made several great Cds on the Arbors label
Albert Nicholas
Baden
The New Orleans Chicago connection
Irving Fazola
Faz
Martin Shapiro
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