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Author: Rachel
Date: 2003-11-16 07:28
I am going to be playing a concerto with my orchestra next year, and I need some advice on what to play.
The level of difficulty should lie somewhere between, say, Stamitz 3 and Spohr's concerti (which I can play but nerves will stop me from playing them at their best). The orchestral part should not be too difficult because it is an amateur orchestra and the great majority of members are only intermediate level players.
It also HAS to be for the Bb clarinet because I don't own an A clarinet.
Thank you
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Author: Tom A
Date: 2003-11-16 08:03
Don't have much time to do research, so I'll just say the first thing that pops into my head. Does the Krommer op. 35 fit into that range of difficulty?
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Author: bob49t
Date: 2003-11-16 09:54
OK - I did the Tartini (1692-1770) Concertino (arr Gordon Jacob) about 10 years ago with an amateur orchestra and it went down very well. From what I remember it may have been with strings only. I also have a version for Bb and piano.
It's a piece that GJ has created from 4 movements chosen from two of Tartini's violin sonatas, and it works very well. Clarinettists don't often get to play in this baroque style. It sits very well below the fingers and the movements which are all most expressive are :
Grave - Allegro Molto - Adagio - Allegro Risoluto.
My copy is published by Boosey and Hawkes (1945)
Sounds just the ticket !
Good luck with whatever you choose.
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Author: Renato
Date: 2003-11-16 11:13
Have you tried Weber's "Concertino"? (Op. 26 if memory serves)
I'm not sure it's in the range of difficulty you suggested, but it seems fairly uncomplicated for the orchestra to tackle.
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Author: Rachel
Date: 2003-11-16 23:17
The Krommer is exactly at the level of difficulty that I'm looking for. I played the first movement about 3 years ago for an exam, and I've always thought it would be nice to perform the entire concerto.
I have played the Weber Concertino before, but at the moment I am still getting over a phobia of it caused by my teacher of the time yelling at me every time I made a mistake.
I don't know the Tartini- is there somewhere on the Internet where I can look at or hear the music?
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Author: diz
Date: 2003-11-16 23:22
I wouldn't go for the Tartini as it's an adaption (GBK - correct me if I'm wrong). I would think the Sphor 2nd should be a nice choice, the problem with the Sphor Concerti is that the orchestral first violin writting is NOT easy.
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Author: Rachel
Date: 2003-11-16 23:48
I've just discovered that I do know the Tartini.
I would like to do the Sphor 2 one day- I am working on it at the moment, but I am worried about the ability of some of the orchestra members to play their parts.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2003-11-16 23:55
The Tartini Concertino is Gordan Jacob's amalgamation of two different Tartini violin sonatas. It is rental only - from Boosey & Hawkes.
Diz is correct in that the orchestral accompaniment (particularly the violin parts) for the Spohr is a major undertaking, especially for an amateur group.
Not a concerto per se, but the Rossini Introduction, Theme and Variations might be more manageable...GBK
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Author: Rachel
Date: 2003-11-17 00:36
The Rossini is another one that I was thinking of doing- I played it at an audition earlier this year, and it is heaps of fun.
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Author: theclarinetist
Date: 2003-11-17 01:28
isn't the Krommer Op. 35 for two clarinets? Do you mean op. 36?
Don Hite
theclarinetist@yahoo.com
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Author: diz
Date: 2003-11-17 03:40
GBK, thanks, you're a bottomless pit of knowledge.
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Author: Tom A
Date: 2003-11-17 08:58
Ya got me on that one, Don!
As punishment for my mistake, I'll learn to play the Concerto of your choice on my Noblet bass.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2003-11-17 15:11
Rachel -
The Spohr concerti are no joke, particularly the rips in the 1st movement of #2 and the extreme high notes and chains of octave leaps in #3. If you can play these, nothing short of the Nielsen should give you problems.
The Crusell concertos should be just right for you -- a bit more difficult than the Stamitz, but less difficult than Spohr, and beautifully written for the instrument. Concerto # 2 (a/k/a "Grand Concerto") is my favorite.
Some of the orchestral parts are hard to find, so you need to start exploring early.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2003-11-17 15:50
On this same topic, how tough is Weber 2 on an orchestra? Looks like I may have an offer to do a concerto movement in the future, but, as with Rachel, it's gotta be something our amateur orchestra can handle. Mozart is out since my colleague in the orchestra will play the adagio this spring. I'm thinking Weber 2, either first or third movement, with leanings toward the first.
It seems reasonable enough, but I don't know what's tough on strings and what isn't. Any views?Ã
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Author: Axel
Date: 2003-11-17 19:46
The concerto Eb major by Antonio Rosetti (1750-1792) could be. what you are looking for. Really nice classical music without special difficulties. The orchestra is with two oboes and two french horns.
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Author: Rachel
Date: 2003-11-17 22:18
I was thinking of the Crusell maybe. I've heard some of his concerti on the radio and thought that they would be fun to play.
How difficult exactly is the Nielsen? I have a recording of it and I think I'd like to play it.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2003-11-17 23:01
Axel said:
> The concerto Eb major by Antonio Rosetti (1750-1792)
Antonio Rosetti can also found under his Czech name: Frantisek Antonin Rossler. His dates are actually 1746-1792...GBK
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Author: eddiec ★2017
Date: 2003-11-18 00:30
I did Weber 1, mvt one with my college's orchestra a few years back. The orchestra parts aren't too hard - 16th notes along scales is about as hard as it gets, I think. Make sure your cellos can handle a melody (It starts in the cellos and is rather embarassing if they don't play it).
The orchestra parts for the Nielsen are fairly tough. The violins have some high, fast, chromatic parts that are going to be rough on pitch, and the bassoon and horn parts are require independence. Just listen to it sometime with a focus on the orchestra parts and see how you feel. I haven't done it with orchestra, but when my director heard it he said said it was way out of our leauge.
But there are some great amateur orchestras out there, so good luck with whatever you choose!
Oh, and be well rested for the concert. It wouldn't be a good idea to, oh say, go two days without sleep or food before your concerto.
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2003-11-18 03:24
The Nielsen is tough on all concerned. And you need an extremely high-quality snare drummer. It's an absolutely wonderful piece, but probably too advanced for your orchestra. You should play it yourself at some point, but I doubt that it's what you're looking for at this time.
Katrina
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Author: Rachel
Date: 2003-11-19 01:22
Yeah, I meant that I was thinking of doing the Nielsen by myself, not with the orchestra. I didn't think they'd be able to handle it. How hard is it on the soloist?
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Author: Wonkak Kim
Date: 2003-11-19 03:27
It is very difficult for the soloist, of course. It used to be the hardest concerto for clarinet (maybe it still is) until all those new concertos like Francaix or Corigliano came out. There are a lot of fingering problems. Just look at the second cadenza... It takes a while to learn the notes. Aside from technical issues, I think Nielsen is very fragile. It is extremely musical and there is so much in it. It is one of the most difficult pieces for clarinet becuase you have to play it as if it is not a technical piece. Good luck
Post Edited (2003-11-19 03:29)
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Author: Rachel
Date: 2003-11-19 23:20
Ok, so the Nielsen is difficult. Right now I am playing Spohr 2 and Finzi without much trouble, so, on the basis of what I am playing, do you think I could handle the Nielsen?
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