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Author: Aussie Nick
Date: 2003-10-18 02:22
I had a chance to try 2 M30's (the profile 88 ones) recently for the first time. I've since done a search on ths site to read what I could find about it. I generally liked it but would need to try a bigger selection, and the traditional beak design and with slightly harder reeds. I would probably need traditional 4's on it, which is kind of borderline getting towards the hard end - but I have always preferred a slightly resistant setup. I used my 3.5's and they were too soft. Anyway my question is to do with the pitch. I found the pitch around the upper clarion to be a bit high, and then I realised there is a M30 13. I was under the impression that all the M series were at A440. Is this not the case? and what is the standard M30 tuned to? Thanks
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Author: johnh
Date: 2003-10-18 02:27
If my understanding of the Vandoren lit. is correct, all the "M" series of mouthpieces are tuned to A440. I play on a M13 Lyre and while the intonation is very even, I sometimes have to be carefully playing C6 and above.
John
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Author: Burt
Date: 2003-10-18 13:31
The "13" signifies that it's tuned to the AMerican standard (A=440). According to my Vandoren catalog, there are also M15 and M30 (as well as many starting with "B")tuned to a European standard which I believe is above 440.
The catalog says that all M30 and M30-13 are profile 88, which is the more pointed (external) shape of the beak.
I find the upper clarion on my old (1957?) R13 a bit sharp, but not as bad as with my previous mouthpiece (Woodwind G7 with a custom re-facing).
I use an M30-13 with Gonzalez FOF 3.5.
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Author: studioline
Date: 2003-10-18 13:56
Here in the UK the pitch is at A440. If the 13 series of vandoren mouthpieces are pitches at 440, then previous to these being introduced were the mouthpieces pitched higher?
I'ved played on a B40 for a relatively long time, but have always been a little sharp. When the B40 13 were introduced I switched to one of these because it helped to bring the pitch down a touch. However, does this mean that the standard B40 and other vandoren mouthpieces are pitched higher than 440. I've always thought about this but wondered if it was a dumb question to ask! When you buy the 13 series they say they are at the American pitch, but if that is 440 than what's going on with the pitch of the other mouthpieces??! Have all us British clarinetists been using mouthpieces pitched higher than 440??
Also, with reference to M30 mouthpieces, I have a few of those on trial (13 series too). First impressions are that the tone they produce is fairly similar to B40. There is less resistance, and therefore easier blowing, but do need harder reeds. I'm not sure if I can be bothered to change my whole array of reed stock at the moment, but maybe think about it in the future. I like the little resistance the B40 offers, particularly for the tone and control of the upper notes.
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Post Edited (2003-10-18 13:58)
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2003-10-18 14:12
I found that a little 'relief' of the baffle just behind the tip tamed the upper reach of my M30.
It tunes just fine with my Legere 3.5 and #3 Rigottis.
I just found it a bit shrill, up top.
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Author: moose6589
Date: 2003-10-19 07:09
The regular version would be tuned to A442 then, which I believe is standard in parts of the world.
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Author: donald
Date: 2003-10-20 12:29
as far as i know, the standard Vandoren mouthpieces play best in tune at A=442 ish.... a few parts of the world (some Asian countries, Germany and some east european countries play at this slightly higher) pitch.
donald
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