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Author: johnny
Date: 2003-10-08 00:09
I know for the transposition of Bb clarinet to concert key you add two shaps to the key sig and raise the note a whole step but what about Bb-basson in bass clef? Does transposition for bass clef work in the same way?
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2003-10-08 02:34
AW come on Diz, give a little help! Johnny , to me its a double transposition, first bass clef to treble clef , then the C to Bb trans will work. Again as Diz says, consult Groves Dict about pitches of horns, then work it out. The ranges of bass and lower cls, and bari/bass sax have much more tone-overlap with the bassoon. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Douglas
Date: 2003-10-08 03:27
To say it more directly, the bassoon is not a transposing instrument. The notes written for bassoon are concert pitch. Perhaps you need to simply learn to read bass clef?
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Author: allencole
Date: 2003-10-08 10:16
There are two tricks that you can use to read a bassoon part on a Bb Bass clarinet, but both are limited in their utility:
1 - If your notes are in the lower part of the staff, you can finger as if reading treble clef and taking them up the octave--but DON'T HIT YOUR REGISTER KEY. You still have to add 2 sharps, BTW.
2 - If your notes are in tenor clef, just read them loco as if in treble clef and add the two sharps.
I frequently substitute in a woodwind quintet, and have found that bassoon parts often go too high for me to utilize trick #1 with any degree of security. In this instance it ends up being the act of double-transposition that Don describes and I sometimes mark a letter name every so often to keep myself on track.
But tricks are dangerous and limited in scope. Because I'm used to reading bass clef on E-flat instruments, it's easy to get the processes mixed up. There is no better security than actually being able to read bass clef and transpose. I'm still trying to get the quintet to let me play bari sax...
Allen Cole
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2003-10-08 15:29
Well said - Allen [and TKS for confirmation] . I tried to stay away from that great trans. method for bassoon to bari sax, "pretend that its in treble clef, just add 3 #s". To me it requires explanation of the differences [octave vs 12th] between conical-bore horns [bassoon and saxes] and our cylrindrical-bore clarinets, further generating confusion. The bassoon to Eb alto cl will also work in the same manner [maybe an octave too high], but "messes-up" in the throat/clarion. More confusion?, its probably best to make a computerized transposition, and minimize the stress involved. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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