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Author: William Fuller
Date: 1999-11-06 16:24
FYI and my opinion only--I have never played a VanDoren mp that I have liked including the 2RV, B45 and M-13 series. They all seem stuffy compared to my custom mp by my old clarinet professor. I do like the mps by Richard Hawkins and Greg Smith. (both use Zinner blanks) They are reponsive and generally have great tone quality and both makers are fairly accessable through info somewhere on this web site. Perhaps Mark has some info regarding this.
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Author: Barry
Date: 1999-11-06 17:17
Do you mean the 5RV, or is there a 2RV model that's not sold here (I'm in France). I tried the 5RV for a while, but found the sound was a bit to tight and thin for my taste, and I went back to my Vandoren B45, which has a fuller-bodied sound. The best advice is to find a store where you can try and compare mouthpieces. Also remember that two mouthpieces of exactly the same model can differ quite markedly. If you do like the sound of the 5RV, try the 5RV lyre as well. I found it slightly easier to blow.
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Author: Fred
Date: 1999-11-06 17:45
The 2RV was around in the late 60's and early 70's. I know it is no longer made, but don't know when it was discontinued. I seem to recall that its tone was a bit thinner than the 5RV, which was around at that time also. The 5RV survived while the 2RV didn't. Is it a decent mouthpiece? Depend on your frame of reference. Beats the heck out of the one that came with your new horn, I'm sure!! Found on the horns of professional players? Not hardly. Better than what most kids in a middle or high school band play? Maybe. College band? Doubtful. Question is: Are you being limited by your mouthpiece or by something else more? You and your teacher can decide.
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Author: Katrina
Date: 1999-11-08 00:41
Thanks for the info.
I currently use a Vandoren B45 and always have. But I have recently acquired a 2rv {which I have yet to try, perhaps I am rather attached to my B45 or maybe I just havn't gotten around to sterilizing it yet}and I guess I was wondering if anyone had any experience with one.
Thanks again,
Katrina
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 1999-11-08 01:01
I had a 2RV. That was a dream-like mouthpiece of good old days Vandoren. It may not be good for orchestra playing,but superb to play solo like a beautiful lady.
If I obtain a 2RV now , I would send that one to Tom Ridenour or other to check and reface it since its material will have been changed thru 20 years and some cure might be necessary.
I think RV is a name of its designer. 5RV and 2RV are designed by the same man. I guess.
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Author: John Scorgie
Date: 1999-11-08 16:37
Katrina --
If your 2RV is an old one made for the American market, it may be about the same mpce as is now sold as the 5RV. Many years ago, the 5RV mpce which Vandoren sold in France was imported and sold in the US as the 2RV. If yours is a "French" 2RV, it will be closer at the tip than the current 5RV, and may require a stiffer reed.
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Author: paul
Date: 1999-11-08 16:52
My pro tutor told me about the original 2RVs that came out a couple of decades ago. These mps were highly regarded by him and many of his pro friends - back then. The 5RV series was supposed to pick up where the 2RV left off, but my personal opinion is that it didn't turn out that way. If you have one of the "original" 2RV mps that is in reasonably good shape, keep it.
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Author: Katrina
Date: 1999-11-08 21:12
It says Vandoren Paris on the mp. Can I assume then that it is French?
Thanks,
Katrina
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Author: Willie
Date: 1999-11-08 21:22
I play on a 2RV with a Harrison lig. Ialso have a 5RV. I like the 2RV better. It's easier to blow and the tone I think is better, more full.
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 1999-11-09 01:20
I 'strongly' recommend Alexander Superial - Thick blank #3 reeds or #2.5 (they are about 0.5 harder than V12) for the 2RV. Do not sand their bottoms, it is diamond cutted to perfect flatness. Just clean one with flowing warm water before playing. It is enough. It is old faschioned reeds with high tech machining after MORRE design with thinner tip of the good old days Vandoren, which will enable you to play ppp to fff quite smoothly.Besides they last longer than other present reeds. I think this reed is superb match with the 2RV.
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Author: Dee
Date: 1999-11-09 04:26
Katrina wrote:
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It says Vandoren Paris on the mp. Can I assume then that it is French?
Thanks,
Katrina
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All Vandoren mouthpieces say Vandoren Paris whether they were made for the US market or the French market.
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Author: paul
Date: 1999-11-10 19:47
Yep, Dee was right again.
I'm going to be daring and say that snobbishness and bigotry usually hurts you first. Don't prejudge anything just based on country of origin. Go deeper than that to find the real value of the product. Let me explain.
Many of the clarinet accessories of certain brands are made in only one country. Vandoren mouthpieces happen to fit into this category. Don't let the "Made in France" stamp snow you. Both good and bad stuff comes from there, just like any other place. True, many of the premium and exquisitely made clarinets come from France. My Buffet Festival is a prime example of this. I point with pride to the "Made in France" stamp on my Buffet horn, because both amateur and pro players have said that Buffet's French factory techs did a wonderful job on it. Buffet also makes very good intermediate grade horns in Germany. I played a German made E-11 a few years ago and it was fantastic for its intermediate grade. Japanese made horns are very good in their grade. Been there, done that with owning a Yamaha intermediate clarinet that was every bit the match of its competitors world-wide (including the German made Buffet E-11). Ditto for English made clarinets (Peter Eaton, Boosey) and ditto for today's Lexus equivalent brand of clarinet, Rossi (Chile). There are also some very good US manufacturing sites, too. LeBlanc and Selmer immediately come to mind for US manufacturing and overseas manufacturing. Let's face it, marching bands simply would not have existed without the very strong US companies and their well designed and well made products. Jazz wouldn't have been the same, either. Many of the hand-made mouthpieces that garner a huge price on the market were thoroughly US designed and US made products. I believe that the Selmer clarinet of famous Big Band era jazz was designed and made in the US. On the flip side, I had a real piece of junk low-end student grade plastic clarinet 20 years ago that was made in France. You will find countless complaints of low-end metal clarinets that were rushed out the door en mass from US plants, too. So, the lesson learned is that the real workmanship isn't necessarily based on the country of manufacturing origin. You usually have to look deeper for the real quality and value.
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