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 bass/contra/sub contra
Author: bassbuddybobby 
Date:   2003-09-07 22:42

Heyhey all:
I just wanted to say that i'm new to this forum/page, etc and I'm really glad i'm here! I started out playing B-flat and i'm now playing bass. I am really interested in playing contra bass, but i'm not sure. I wanted to know if anyone has any info on the contra and sub contra (or octo) bass. If you do please tell me!

~low notes make me happy~
-emily-



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 Re: bass/contra/sub contra
Author: diz 
Date:   2003-09-08 01:52

Do a search on Contrabass Clarinet ... you'll find a lot of useful information (and a lot of crap, too), such is the life in the electronic world.

Look at the top of the screen you'll see a search button ... a very good feature that's easy to use.

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 Re: bass/contra/sub contra
Author: GBK 
Date:   2003-09-08 01:58

diz said:

> Do a search on Contrabass Clarinet ... you'll find a lot of useful information (and a lot of > crap, too),


I'm slowly making my way through the archives and disposing of the latter ...GBK



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 Re: bass/contra/sub contra
Author: Alphie 
Date:   2003-09-08 18:40

It must be a hell of a mission you're up to GBK.

From one who's not envious

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 Re: bass/contra/sub contra
Author: GBK 
Date:   2003-09-08 18:52

I've already been through the 1999 archives and am now working my way through 2000.

The useful to useless ratio is rising significantly ...GBK



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 Re: bass/contra/sub contra
Author: David Spiegelthal 2017
Date:   2003-09-08 19:43

Well, GBK, if the useful/useless ratio is increasing, then clearly I'm not posting often enough nowadays, am I? We'll fix THAT!

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 Re: bass/contra/sub contra
Author: Don Berger 
Date:   2003-09-08 20:14

Our TKS, GBK, t'will help all. Dave S, no apologies needed re: quality, I try to follow your lead in quality posts with a bit of incomprehensible HUMOR at times also, OK to delete mine, and repetitions also, GBK!! Don

Thanx, Mark, Don

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 Re: bass/contra/sub contra
Author: David Spiegelthal 2017
Date:   2003-09-08 21:05

But seriously, Emily.......perhaps for your first foray into the sub-bass clarinet world you could try the EEb contra-alto, although it's not that much lower in pitch than the bass ---- but they're readily available, relatively inexpensive, and very useful for reading bass clef/concert pitch parts such as string bass, tuba, bassoon/contra-bassoon. And big and low enough to be extra-fun!

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 Re: bass/contra/sub contra
Author: Ken Shaw 2017
Date:   2003-09-08 22:11

Here are just a few of the threads on contra, including material on instruments, embouchure, mouthpieces, ligatures, reeds, fingerings, etc.:

http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=101693&t=101582
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=101695&t=101602
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=96824&t=96799
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=85186&t=85160
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=85185&t=85185
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=85082&t=84930
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=66506&t=66390
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=66419&t=66409
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=61990&t=61929
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=60996&t=60978
http://www.sneezy.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=58789&t=58789
http://www.sneezy.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=43874&t=43868
http://www.sneezy.org/Databases/Logs/2001/06/000500.txt
http://www.sneezy.org/Databases/Logs/2001/02/000801.txt

There's also an excellent site at http://www.contrabass.com/ , which has a fairly active mailing list.

Best regards.

Ken Shaw

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 Re: bass/contra/sub contra
Author: Shorthand 
Date:   2003-09-09 17:00

Just to add to Dave's comment, there isn't much point in exploring any instrument below the Bb Contrabass - an extended one, which goes to low C like an extended Bass (most Leblanc "paperclips" you'll find) pretty much extends to the lower limit of human hearing (somewhere around 30 Hz).

There are some neat parts for the instrument, but lots of not so neat ones.

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 Re: bass/contra/sub contra
Author: Ken Shaw 2017
Date:   2003-09-09 20:01

According to the chart at http://www.contrabass.com/pages/frequency.html , the lowest note on an extended BBb contra is concert Bb at 29.14 Hz. Although human hearing goes down to 16 Hz, I find that I can't distinguish the pitches of the bottom three notes on my contra (sounding C, B and Bb, written D, Db and C), even using the old-style wider mouthpiece and reed.

However, my Korg tuner can display the notes and tell the difference, and a correct contra pitch can make a big difference in the parts above it. However, this can be taken to absurd lengths. The fundamental frequency of the 64' organ pipe in Sydney is 8.18 Hz, and I can't imagine that the reinforcement, or lack thereof, would be affected if it were at 8.17 or 1.19. Still, it makes for some fun discussion, such as the one on the contrabass board about what happens when the wind blows over the top of the world's tallest chimney, which is about a quarter-mile closed tube. The consensus was that it would "sound" a D at 1.2 beats every 5 seconds.

Best regards.

Ken Shaw



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 Re: bass/contra/sub contra
Author: William Hughes 2017
Date:   2003-09-09 20:04

How about this, Ken?

http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=CGLK4TEMHK0UGCRBAEOCFEY?type=scienceNews&storyID=3414535

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 Re: bass/contra/sub contra
Author: Ken Shaw 2017
Date:   2003-09-09 21:24

William -

Amazing. I'll send it to the contrabass board. They salivate over stuff like this.

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 Re: bass/contra/sub contra
Author: diz 
Date:   2003-09-09 23:13

57 octaves below middle C - that's proposterous. It would be a beast every hour or so (I exagerate).

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 Re: bass/contra/sub contra
Author: Shorthand 
Date:   2003-09-09 23:31

More like 5 million years. Remember, octaves are exponential.



Post Edited (2003-09-09 23:33)

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