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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2003-08-15 20:45
The systems went down due to the general Eastern US blackout; they're up again now.
The batteries did what they were supposed to do, but they don't last 24 hours  I guess it's time to get a generator ...
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Author: Henry
Date: 2003-08-15 21:06
This was a long 24 hrs!!! I didn't realize how addicted I am to this site.
Henry
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Author: Pam H.
Date: 2003-08-15 21:23
I had checked in yesterday and figured the big power outage got your server. Glad to see things are back up and running! ![[grin]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie5.gif)
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Author: ken
Date: 2003-08-15 21:26
I concur; persevering 24 hours without surfing the BBoard is worse than quitting smoking cigs cold turkey!
Post Edited (2003-08-15 21:27)
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Author: wyatt
Date: 2003-08-15 22:18
good to have you back. glad i live where i live and didn't have to be one of the 50 million.i
bob gardner}ÜJ
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2003-08-15 22:20
WOW, Vunderbahr comments. may I join in?? Tried to contact [EM] the Rock and Roll Hall of Flame in Cleveland!!, re: Woody Guthrie, on Route 66 [66 Hwy Blues!] music, didn't get thru, will keep trying. Like all, we dont miss ww.org, till its not there!! Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2003-08-15 23:24
Welcome back. Glad all I have to endure down here is a tropical storm/hurricane and not a blackout.
--Ralph (gettin' ready to enjoy Erika in South Texas)
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Author: CPW
Date: 2003-08-15 23:31
Mark.....have you actually PRICED generators???? (not a little camping Honda)
For the price of a matched set of Wurlitzers (the real kind) you might get one that kicks on and does a few appliances and a few rooms, running on gasoline or propane. Wanna Onan deisel? Add in a set of Chadashes with a Selmer Mark VI tenor.
Glad yer back. I had the DTs for a time.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2003-08-15 23:39
CPW wrote:
> Mark.....have you actually PRICED generators???? (not a little
> camping Honda)
Actually - yes. One to keep the servers alive (and a fridge and freezer to boot) is around 5K. The problem this time would have been to keep them fed with gasoline ... very little gas available in the area right now. I can't put an underground storage tank in a residential area
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Author: L. Omar Henderson
Date: 2003-08-16 00:55
Mark - glad that you are back with us - we missed you!
Sorry that you live in the North with such silly rules - Now if you were here in Georgia you could build a little shed behind the house for the generator with wood stolen from the construction site, tin siding from the back of the neighbor's barn, a 55 gallon drum from the farmers toxic waste dump, cleaned out with moonshine and then dumped down the storm drain, a little air conditioner copper tubing - again from the construction site, Bubba and Dwain from the Dixie Bar would hook you up with a light hooked up to stolen car batteries and trickle charged with electricity from the pole, and sweat the tubing together for the rig if you gave them a six-pack each. Just kidding fellow Southerners!
The Doctor
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Author: Mark P. Jasuta
Date: 2003-08-16 21:16
My aunt bought one that ran on natural gas big enough to keep the whole house going. She had natural gas piped to her house already for her water heater so it was easy.
Regards
Mark
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Author: Ralph Katz
Date: 2003-08-18 00:40
$5K is a lot of cash for backup, but there aren't any better alternatives if you want to play through 24 hour outages.
We have a 65kVA UPS to power out computer room at work. This affords us a lot of leeway, but I would not recommend this expense.
Generators will need care and feeding. In addition to fuel, you will have to check the crankcase oil regularly while they are running, which may entail an outage. Some generators have built-in oil-level sensors and shut themselves off if there is a problem. Having used small (3-5KW) generators for years at Amateur Radio Field Day events, you will have to schedule your time around maintenance while they are running. We usually go with two generators, and switch over when one needs maintenance. You won't have this luxury.
Some generators can be refilled while running, but most manufacturers caution against this. A couple of hams I know have rigged auxiliary tanks with Y-valves that allow the generators to stay running when one tank runs out. There are gas cans available that don't drip, but they are not particularly large. This is moot if you can't buy gasoline.
Your neighbors will complain about the noise. Hay bails help on Field Day, but noice enclosures are the best remedy for this. There are some generators with built-in noise damping, for example some Honda's, which are really quiet. These are not by any stretch the least expensive ones, though.
Popular Science had an article maybe 10-15 years ago that said natural gas engines for running home air conditioners were about to enter the market. These things were supposed to run thousands of hours without maintenance, and be much less expensive than electric motors. This technology has not yet arrived.
Lots of movie houses have natural gas fired back up generators. The Kohler ones are expensive, super reliable, and are setup to be mounted in-doors with vents to the outside for the exhaust. Most movie house staffs don't know how to run them, though.
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