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Author: SaRaH18
Date: 2003-06-14 14:20
I am right now facing a dilemma as I enter college in the fall. I'm planning to major either in Clarinet and minor in Piano or major in Piano and minor in Clarinet. I want to be a piano teacher, concert pianist as well as a professional clarinetist in the orchestra. I am a pianist as well as a clarinetist. I have played the piano as long as I can remember, and the clarinet for 7 years, right now playing 1st clarinet in the state orchestra. Is it possible to be a professional clarinetist in the orchestra without having to major in Clarinet?
What is the difference between BA, BS and BM?
Which degree is better?
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2003-06-14 14:33
SaRaH18 wrote:
> Is it possible to be a professional
> clarinetist in the orchestra without having to major in
> Clarinet?
Yes. There's no requirement for a degree. We just discussed this very thing on a similar thread.
> What is the difference between BA, BS and BM?
> Which degree is better?
I'm very surprised that you're entering college soon and don't know the difference ...
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Author: Micaela
Date: 2003-06-14 22:07
Most colleges music programs are designed around a certain degree; I don't think many give you a choice between BA, BS, BM, etc. (though the large universities may be an exception, I don't know much there). A BMus is a performance degree, the current thread on the life of a performance student gives you a good description of what that would be like. The BMus degree is usually found at conservatories or Schools of Music within universities. A BA or BS would involve much more academic and less performance work and is more of a general college program. A BA is traditionally considered the more intellectual and abstract of the two and often involves more humanities requirements. A BS is usually in an applied field such as accounting or a hard science (though a BA can be in a science also). Confused yet?
But it REALLY depends on the school. For example, I'm going to a liberal arts college that only gives BAs, so I'm going to get a BA in music (unless I change my mind...). Since you're going next fall, find out directly from your college. It should be easy- that's pretty basic information.
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Author: Jim E.
Date: 2003-06-15 04:24
In practice there seems to be little diference, we found that with very similar music ed programs, various schools offer various degrees. (The important part is the "B" of course as that denotes the level of the degree.)
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2003-06-15 05:42
The word "Arts" in "Bachelor of Arts" traditionally means "The Liberal Arts," which includes the natural sciences. So a BA degree reflects emphasis on these subjects. Many institutions used to require foreign language competence for awarding a BA, but this is typically no longer true.
The word "Science" in "Bachelor of Science," however, tends more to mean applied science. Major studies for the BS typically include such fields as business, education, computer science, engineering, etc. As Micaela noted, a degree in Accounting would more likely be a BS; a degree in mathematics would more likely be a BA. But this is not necessarily always true, as different institutions can (and do) treat the requirements for various degrees differently. Aside from the emphasis on applied science, some arts and natural science courses are required to earn a BS.
But the BMus is a degree stressing music, theoretical and performing, with perhaps minimal "core" or "general education" courses required.
So, for music degrees, one could expect a performance degree to be either a BMus or perhaps a BA, depending on the type of institution granting the degree. A Music Education degree would more likely be a BS, although possibly a BA.
Other than all that, it may be viewed differently in different countries. Where do you plan to study, Sarah?
Regards,
John
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Author: CPW
Date: 2003-06-15 15:42
BS
MS
PHD
meaning
bull s---t. more s---t, Pile it High and Deep
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2003-06-15 16:12
CPW,
Do you have those degrees? If so, fine.
If not, I consider your post as somewhat of an in-sensitive comment. I have all those degrees and I assure you that my colleagues and my students don't seem to think I am full of s--t.
HRL
Post Edited (2003-06-15 16:33)
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Author: Dee
Date: 2003-06-15 16:56
Hank Lehrer wrote:
> CPW,
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> Do you have those degrees? If so, fine.
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> If not, I consider your post as somewhat of an in-sensitive
> comment. I have all those degrees and I assure you that my
> colleagues and my students don't seem to think I am full of
> s--t.
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> HRL
>
This was and is a standard joke on college compuses. It was not meant to be taken seriously. Surely you've heard the joke before! I can't imagine any college or university so isolated that this joke didn't make the rounds several times a year.
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Author: CPW
Date: 2003-06-15 19:04
Dee wrote:
"This was and is a standard joke on college compuses. It was not meant to be taken seriously. Surely you've heard the joke before! I can't imagine any college or university so isolated that this joke didn't make the rounds several times a year."
Ancient joke. Very standard.
And, as a matter of fact I do have an advanced degree and post doctoral studies and an award for teaching.
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Author: Webby
Date: 2003-06-16 00:29
Micaela's right on. Probably your major within music will determine your degree type and you may not have a choice. I know many of you have a BS in music ed. Where I go to school, BMus. is a professional music degree (i.e., there's a specific field within music that you're heading towards---this includes performance, education, history, composition, or jazz performance/composition) and the BA is governed by some national liberal arts board-it's a general liberal arts degree (just like if you majored...I don't know...English, for example) and you must take a minor outside of music. It's not bound for any specific field within music, or even necessarily for a career in music. I think a lot of schools at least in my area of the country are similar (I think region is significant, too). We can't get a BS.
They'll tell you what you're getting or how to pick at orientation.
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2003-06-16 01:20
Dee and CPW,
IMHO the joke was in poor taste for this BB and for the topic that was discussed no matter whether it is standard or not. Too bad an apology was not your response to my expression of displeasure.
HRL
Post Edited (2003-06-16 01:22)
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Author: Morrigan
Date: 2003-06-16 01:40
Hank - you always seem to be offended by something and start arguments. You even got abusive with me once via email. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks you take things too serious and are easily insulted. Just cool off, you'll get more out of the bboards.
Just an honest observation, take it or leave it, but don't get hyped up about it, I'm just trying to help.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2003-06-16 02:31
Hank Lehrer wrote:
> Dee and CPW,
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> IMHO the joke was in poor taste for this BB
I'm the arbiter of that ...
> and for the topic
> that was discussed no matter whether it is standard or not. Too
> bad an apology was not your response to my expression of
> displeasure.
You can express your displeasure, of course, but the joke's a long-time standard. More than 30 years, since I remember it from my youth ...
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2003-06-16 03:49
A degree of any kind in some field OTHER than music is better, if you wanna eat after you graduate!
Dave the Grump
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Author: CPW
Date: 2003-06-16 03:59
aw gee Hank....my bad... me so sorry....I apologize.....here, have a hankie and wipe {edited by the author for fear of further offending someone}
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Author: diz
Date: 2003-06-16 04:11
Mark C wrote:
Yes. There's no requirement for a degree.
Maybe not in America - for better or worse (I'm not decided) the SSO (my home town orchestra) requires all new performers to have obtained a Bachelor of Music (Performance) degree ... I think it's a little over the top, but considering the standard of the orchestra now ...
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2003-06-16 15:15
Morrigan,
You seem to have forgotten that my comments were in a private email to you and were not part of any BB posting. However, I don't believe that I was abusive but if you took it that way, I'm sorry; being abusive was never my intent.
Concerning your comment "Hank - you always seem to be offended by something and start arguments." I think always may not be quite the correct word to use and I don't believe that I always start arguments. In fact, I went back and did a search for my name and looked at my posts for the past several months. Sorry, but I could not find anything that I would consider argumentative. In fact, almost all comments were supportive or informational.
To the others, IMHO I still think the joke is in poor taste even if it is 30 years old. Mark, I said IMHO and was just expressing a personal opinion and not trying to do your job.
CPW apology accepted.
End of story.
HRL
Post Edited (2003-06-16 20:38)
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Author: ken
Date: 2003-06-16 17:35
What's the best music degree? Of course, it depends on what you're going to do with it. After spending $80K+ (1976-1982) on 2 performance degrees I realistically apply about 5% of on a daily basis, I'd opt for an Education degree. And, if you MUST get a music degree and irrevocably certain that performance and/or teaching is your lot in life an Ed degree serves as a hammock. At the very least you'll have that teaching certificate to fall back on if you’re playing abilities and aspirations don't feed the bulldog. v/r Ken
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Author: Vic
Date: 2003-06-16 19:35
I'm sorry Hank, but us phuds tend to take ourselves way too seriously sometimes. Personally, I've enjoyed that joke for going on 25 years and I still find it funny. I agree with you that in the past you haven't been argumentative at all, but gosh, we should be able to laugh at ourselves.
Anyway, so this dog with a clarinet walks into a bar . . .
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Author: GBK
Date: 2003-06-16 19:50
Vic said: "...Anyway, so this dog with a clarinet walks into a bar . . ."
...and announces "I'm looking for the guy who shot my paw"...
oops, wrong puch line.
"...Anyway, so this dog with a clarinet walks into a bar . . ."
...and yells "ouch!"
...GBK (too many years playing in the Catskill hotels)
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Author: Eileen
Date: 2003-06-16 20:06
In college, I majored in both English (a B.A.) and Mathematics (a B.S.). So the university called me and told me I had to choose one or the other designation for my official degree. I chose to receive my degree as a B.A. because I felt it more accurately reflected the wider breadth of coursework which I had taken in Liberal Arts. However, many people I knew criticized my choice because they felt that a "B.S." connoted a more difficult or rigorous degree than a "B.A." I didn't personally agree with that but it appeared to be a common perception. I wouldn't worry a lot about it. Getting any college degree is an accomplishment. I don't think having chosen to have a "B.A." instead of a "B.S." had any impact on my job prospects, etc.
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2003-06-16 20:43
GBK and Vic,
Good ones. The PhD joke pales in comparison to the dog joke.
Back to the degree issue. In the 1950s and 60s, IBM would hardly hire anyone that did not have a BA. There was a corporate notion that such a degree, plus wearing very Ivy League clothes (3 button suits, oxford cloth shirts, stripped ties), made for the most versatile employee. Much like a basic MD that was a GP rather than a specialist.
"The times, the times they are changing...."
HRL
Post Edited (2003-06-16 20:44)
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