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 Weird rhythm in Spohr #2
Author: Micaela 
Date:   2003-06-11 18:33

After reading the advice from this board and asking my teacher about 19th century concertos, I'm taking on the Spohr Conerto No. 2. My question is about the rhythm in measure 111 of the first movement (second measure on the second page in the International edition). It has three sets of "dotted eighth sixteenth, dotted eighth sixteenth" with a triplet marking over them. I can't figure out how to count this! I've ordered a recording but it hasn't come yet. How can I get a handle on this rhythm? I'm even having trouble finding the beats.

However, I got all four wisom teeth out on Monday and the idea of playing isn't very plausible yet (today's the first day I've gotten myself off the couch). I'm getting tired of liquid food. Today I have enough energy to play piano, tomorrow my currently oddly-shaped jaw might be able to handle my violin but clarinet will be a while.

Thanks for reading,
Micaela

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 Re: Weird rhythm in Spohr #2
Author: Eric T 
Date:   2003-06-11 23:16

Dear Micaela
I had a similar problem with this measure of Spohr's Concerto II--it was due to a misprint in my music, and yours may have a misprint also. As my music was originally printed, it had 6 beats in that measure, which is two too many for 4/4 time. I think that the "3" triplet marking doesn't belong there at all, and that the later two groups of dotted eighths/sixteenths should really be dotted sixteenths/thirty-secondths. What I did is draw an extra line over the two four-note groups at the end of the measure. That way, the number of beats in the measure is reduced to four, and the rhythm matches that of the following measure.

Eric T :)

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 Re: Weird rhythm in Spohr #2
Author: Tim2 
Date:   2003-06-13 01:14

Actually write out the three measures, the measure before, the measure in question and the measure following <b>but</b> instead of writing a dotted eighth note and a 16th, write a quarter note. Keep it simple. After writing it out, look at each measure, you have 4 quarter notes, six quarter notes (the triplet count being on the 1st, 3rd and 5th triplet) followed by a measure with 8 eighth notes. In this last measure you need to pull the dotted 16th and the 32nd together to make an eighth note instead of doing the 8th-16th and quarters. Look at the pattern of the rhythm, 4 notes followed by 6 notes followed by 8 notes. In the same period of time, Spohr wants 4 then 6 then 8 note groups. (dotted followed by the 16th or 32nd)

It's like a written out accelerando. You play alone in the first two of those measures.

Good luck



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