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 Problem when doubling with alto sax
Author: krawfish3x 
Date:   2003-06-04 21:52

i play clarinet but over the past few months i've started to play sax along with clarinet. i love it but there is only one problem. after practicing for about 20 minutes i get teeth marks in my bottom lip and i think it's because i'm biting. has anyone encountered this problem and if so how can i fix it? (if i posted this before im sorry, but the problem hasnt been fixed)

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 Re: Problem when doubling with alto sax
Author: diz 
Date:   2003-06-04 22:29

this has been discussed here before now - I'm sure the most common thing is to try dental wax (don't know what you Americans call it) over your bottom teeth. Sounds as if your bottom teeth (I'm assuming it's your bottom ones) are quite sharp.

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 Re: Problem when doubling with alto sax
Author: GBK 
Date:   2003-06-04 22:37

The embouchure used for the clarinet is different from the one used for the alto saxophone.

If you are using the same embouchure for both, I would seek out a private teacher for a few quick lessons to see the difference...GBK



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 Re: Problem when doubling with alto sax
Author: Webby 
Date:   2003-06-05 03:33

One thing you might want to try in the meantime for getting the embouchure down---push the mouthpiece all the way in (this is especially good if you're doing it for jazz) & learn to voice it so you play in tune with it there. Use a tuner that sounds pitches and play against a tonic drone. Seriously.

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 Re: Problem when doubling with alto sax
Author: allencole 
Date:   2003-06-05 04:33

Which instrument causes you to bite your lower lip, or is it both?

I find that on saxophone my teeth start to become a problem when my embouchure starts to get tired and my jaw seeks to 'assist.' Sharp lower teeth, and rock-and-roll levels of stage volume also contribute.

There is actually a better solution than dental wax. I use E-zo denture cushions. These are linen strips impregnated with wax. Just cut them into small pieces and put one over your lower teeth. Using Ezo, I can get through two 4-hour gigs on tenor without a problem.

Ezo is sold at Wal-Mart. I use #15 Lower Heavy. A $3 box lasts a long time.

Allen Cole

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 Re: Problem when doubling with alto sax
Author: Gordon (NZ) 
Date:   2003-06-05 04:55

From a simple perspective....

Sax embouchure, very different from clarinet:

Bunch the lips, protruding a little, thick and round, saying "ooooo" in an exaggerated manner. Insert mouthpice. Close jaw until lips seal around mouthpiece.

Unless the players lip support muscles are very tired and unusable, there should be little or no support from the teeth, therefore no teeth cutting into lip.

Exercise for lip support mnuscles: Do a wide smile, then the 'oooo' described above. Keep repeating.

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 Re: Problem when doubling with alto sax
Author: William 
Date:   2003-06-09 01:33

Here is the Runyon website that contains a downloadable tutorial on general sax playing--and in particular, a section on embouchure tighness and how to know when it is correct.

http://www.saxgourmet.com/runyon_pricelist.html

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