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Author: Sue G
Date: 2003-05-27 20:36
Hi,
Thanks for your replies to my quey about the Selmer Bundy folks.
Can you recommend a good intermediate wood horn for me please ?
I'm thinking of trading up to a "previously cherished" one for preferably under £500 - I've a Buffet B12 student horn at present but haven't got decades of playing time left as I'm not a youngster and would love a decent one while I can still play !
Thanks
Sue
:)
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Author: Jeff Forman
Date: 2003-05-27 22:23
I would go to e-bay and check out some of the horns for sale there. One guy who typically has a nice assortment of clarinets is musiqueweb. If you go to search, then search by Seller and enter Musiqueweb, you'll find him. click on any of his items and then you'll see a link to his e-bay store and you can click on clarinets. Up will come all of his auctions of clarinets. Usually he has a bunch of Noblet model 40 clarinets and they seem fairly reasonably priced. I actually bought an e-11 from him a couple of years ago and the transaction was fine.
You can also just keep looking until you see something that suits your fancy and is not being bid out of sight. I have found that perseverence and the discipline to not bid more than your definition of a bargain price will get you the horn you want in not too long a time.
Jeff
Post Edited (2003-05-28 00:53)
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Author: Bob Schwab
Date: 2003-05-28 01:24
Sue
I don't know if you caught my reply to your last string asking about the Selmer Bundy but I put in a good word for the Yamaha YCL-450. It's what I play and I'm very very happy with it. The YCL-450 is Yamaha's newest offering in the intermediate level. It replaces two of Yamaha's previous models, the YCL-34 and the YCL-52; the YCL-52 being the more upscale of the two models.
I got mine for an awesome price from a local Yamaha dealer, far better than what I've seen on eBay so far. If you send me an e-mail I'll tell you what I paid--significantly less than your 500 pound figure--and give you their URL so you can contact them yourself. And yes, it was brand new still in the packing.
Good luck
Bob Schwab
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Author: cyso_clarinetist
Date: 2003-05-28 04:41
Being the buffet sheep that I am. I would seriously recommend the Buffet International Clarinet. It's a great clarinet and offeres a lot of the same great qualities that buffet are known for.
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Author: Dawne
Date: 2003-05-28 07:50
Hi Sue,
I will put in my vote for the Yamahas. I have a YCL-52 that I bought 8 or 10 years ago, and it is a nice intermediate level horn. I played it in pit orchestras. I now have a Yamaha YCM-CSV...(tells you how much I enjoyed the 52). Anyway, you can get them very reasonably on ebay...I think there are a couple on there now. I won't part with mine...I will use it as a back-up. It is well made, and the intonation is wonderful.
Dawne
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Author: Colin B
Date: 2003-05-28 08:55
Hello Sue, I reckon you could get a decent B&H 1010 for under five hundred quid if you shopped around a bit. If, like me, you prefer the "English" sound to that of the French pea-shooters (no offence intended to players of Buffet, Selmer etc) a good 1010 could be for you. I have seen half a dozen or so of them for sale at around this price over the last couple of years but I haven't been able to find the cash. You could try putting up a few "wanted"postcards on the notice boards of music shops in your area. Anyway, whatever you choose to do I wish you success and happiness .
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Author: William
Date: 2003-05-28 14:36
You might want to try a couple of LeBlanc's Sonata model clarinets. They are the accoustical twins of the Concerto/Opus pro level instruments and play the same for about half the cost.
Tom Ridenour, LeBlanc's accoustical gerue who designed, tested and ok'ed the Opus clarinet for manufacture and market, made this statement to me while I was selecting my Concerto's at the Kenosha, WI LeBlanc factory--"Knowing what I know about these instruments (Sonata, Concerto, Opus), I would buy a set of Sonatas and save a lot of money. You also get that great LeBlanc key action" (I bought a set of Concerto's anyhow because of the keywork, which is more similar to the Buffets)
He also said "they all come from the same woodpile" suggesting that there was no difference in the quality of wood used for the Opus, Concerto or Sonata clarinets.
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2003-05-28 17:05
You can get fully overhauled 1960's Evette and Schaeffer clarinet for around $350 on eBay. IMO these instruments are as good as Buffet R-13 in every respect.
Vytas
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Author: sinkdraiN
Date: 2003-05-28 18:01
You may want to look for used pro Leblanc clarinets. They play great and can be had for great bargains. I purchased my used Leblanc LL for $400. I love it!
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Author: Eileen
Date: 2003-05-28 19:02
I happened to look earlier today at the Woodwind & Brasswind's outlet section on their website. There were several intermediate models (Buffet, Noblet, Yamaha) available either used or "B-stock" for less than $600 (U.S.). I bought a new E-11 there a few years ago for $600 (U.S.). With the exception of the intonation on 1 or 2 notes, I am very pleased with it. The tone in the lower register is incredible and it sounds nice elsewhere. In calculating your budget for a new horn, I'd make sure to put aside about $100 (U.S.) for a mouthpiece and ligature if you haven't invested in a better set-up already.
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Author: Sue G
Date: 2003-05-28 20:23
Hi,
Thanks again for all your suggestions.
I'm leaning towards a Yamaha or Leblanc......
Any views on the Leblanc Normandy perchance only I seen a couple around ?
Thanks
Sue
:)
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Author: Dee
Date: 2003-05-28 22:56
The Leblanc Normandy is nice but it's really more of a wood version of a student horn. If you can afford it, the Leblanc Noblet is a nice intermediate instrument or the Sonata as some have recommended.
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2003-05-29 03:39
Dee's comments hit the mark pretty well. The Normandy may be an intermediate Clarinet, but just barely so. I think of it more as an "advanced student" instrument. I have a Noblet and a Normandy, and IMO the Noblet is a *much* better instrument. To me, the Vito V40 (which I play more than any other stick) is quite superior to the Normandy.
Of course, I do like my Amati. And the Amati 600-series ("pro") Clarinets are priced below most intermediate instruments.
Regards,
John
who needs to do inventor
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Author: Bob A
Date: 2003-05-29 15:13
Beware VYTAS! That sound you hear is the R-13 Mafia come to break all your reeds.
Bob A
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2003-05-29 16:30
Bob,
Old news! They break clarinets now!
I play King Marigaux and have couple of R-13 for back up.... in case Mafia shows up
Vytas
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Author: Sue G
Date: 2003-05-30 06:28
Any thought about the Selmer clarinets ????
There seem to be several second hand ones around.
Thanks
Sue
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Author: BobD
Date: 2003-05-30 13:17
To my "feel" Selmers are rather clunky compared to Buffets. I'm only speaking about how they feel, not how they sound.
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