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Author: diz
Date: 2003-05-28 01:49
Richard Strauss composed a rather effective concerto for clarinet and bassoon. I think it's called a Duet Concertino - can't remember. I own the Dresden recordings (Kempe) which are without equal - IMHO.
Those of you who have played this work (with orchestra) I'd be interested in your thoughts ... I'm looking at programing with my orchestra next year - I understand it's still under copyright and needs to be hired. Any help is appreciated.
thanks
diz, Sydney
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Author: kenbear
Date: 2003-05-28 02:57
diz,
Boosey & Hawkes Sydney have the hire parts... Really good string players a must....(not to mention soloists, of course!).
Ken
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Author: John J. Moses
Date: 2003-05-28 03:22
I performed the Strauss Concerto with Lenny Sharrow at the Aspen Music Festival with Sergiu Comissiona conducting.
Lenny, one of the great bassoonists of the 20th century, really taught me the piece. He knew his part well, and all of my lines better than I did. He even helped Sergiu out of some tough orchestral moments.
You must really study the piece, know your own part well, and understand all the other wonderful Strauss effects with the orchestra. You and the other soloist must work together as one before you rehearse with the orchestra. Agreeing on tempi, style, and approach are so important to bringing off a great performance.
I thank dear Lenny for helping me experience that wonderful piece to its fullest.
JJM
Légère Artist
Clark W. Fobes Artist
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Author: sömeone
Date: 2003-05-28 03:28
Yes definitely a great piece.
Never thought that a clarinet and a bassoon could ever be such a pair.
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Author: diz
Date: 2003-05-28 03:35
kenbear - "g'day mate"
thanks - yes, definately, no Richard Strauss orchestral string part is easy.
John Moses:
I can assure you (as the conductor) I will know the score intimately and be totally prepared with the clarinetist and bassoonist (beforehand). I play clarinet and viola and have played (years ago) the orchestral viola part for this (professionally) - I remember it was typical Strauss - murderously difficult (technically). As to interpretation ... I'm sure I'll use my imagination. But thanks, John, it is, indeed a wonderful and curiously neglected work.
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
Post Edited (2003-05-28 03:42)
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Author: cyso_clarinetist
Date: 2003-05-28 04:39
Larry Combs has a Grammy for playing this concerto. Perhaps you should ask him about this piece. I am sure he would be a great help.
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Author: diz
Date: 2003-05-28 04:48
A grammy - really, how nice for him. I'm sure it was his main aim for playing this work.
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Author: Andy
Date: 2003-05-28 11:35
Diz,
Just wondering as I am another Aussie, what orchestra that would be that you are involved with, it you don't mind divulging that kind of information. I'll second your words about Mr Combs work, Grammy's (and awards of the sort) obviously mean so much when Stoltzman (and I do respect him and think he is a fairly great player) can win a Grammy for his Brahms sonatas while Michael Collins, Sabine Meyer, Karl Leister, Paul Dean, Stanley Drucker and the like can all not win one!
Anyway, I would love to hear what orchestra we are all talking in relation to.
Cheers,
Andy
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Author: diz
Date: 2003-05-30 02:46
Mark - I did have you in mind
Andy - email me and I'll give you more info
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Author: cyso_clarinetist
Date: 2003-05-30 04:19
Diz and Andy,
Nice of you to show some respect. Winning a grammy wasn't in his interests I'm sure. He did a fantastic job and I bet you his thoughts and opinions about music could be helpful. You two probably will never be a 1/1000000000000 of the player that larry combs is yet you feel you can be so cocky and disrespectful towards a great artists such as him.
you two make me laugh!
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Author: Andy
Date: 2003-05-30 07:08
cyso_clarinettist, did you actually read my post or haven't you progressed that far through school to be able to read yet?
I wasn't commenting on the players ability, and if you read my post carefully you will see that I actually praised Mr Stoltzman's playing and didn't cop out and do the normal Stoltzman bash that is becoming so common on this board. (As a side comment I feel that Stoltzman's recording of the Copland is absolutley amazing!) I didn't feel the need to do so for Mr Combs, as to my knowledge his work is universally regarded as being amazing and I have never read a post on this BB that has been disrespectful to him. I have the so much respect for the work that Mr Combs has done, words cannot describe in what high regard I hold him.
The point to my post, and I can't speak for Diz here, but was to outline the fact that many great artists win awards while others, who are equally as good don't. The players who I mentioned have all also released wonderful recordings (not of this work to my knowledge however) and have not been recipients of awards for their work. My point was don't rely on awards as a sole source to tell you what is a good recording as most likely the recording artist didn't release the CD just to win awards! (but again I say that Mr Combs (especially) and Mr Stoltzman's recordings are most likely wonderful recordings and well deserving winners of the awards.)
Next time you decide to have a go cyso_clarinettist, read the information properly before you write. Don't just hop on your high horse and start sprouting the kind of offensive comments that you did in your previous post in relation to this topic on this board!
Andy
(As for being 1/1,000000000000 as good as Mr Combs, maybe at this stage, maybe not at this stage, but I'm sure somewhere in the future I will be able to claim to be one trillionth as good as Mr Combs (as to be able to pick up a clarinet is nearly to be one trillionth as good), but the real question is will you ever be....)
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2003-05-30 11:10
The whole idea of playiny the clarinet is not to sound like or as good as L> Coombs. I am afraid we were talking abut the Strauss Duet Concetino and performing it well....
as for awards there are also pleny of players out there as fine as Mr. Combs in there own respect with sounds and styles quite different from the famed Chicago Symphony clarinet player.
I heard Prinz play this piece with the Vienna pHIL many moons ago and can say I thought his interpretation more to my liking than the recent disc.
By the way, the bassoonist on this CD has worked with our orchestra here in Canada. David McGill is a gifted person and very much a believer in individuality and .....copying the style of a performer really sometimes means we lack imagination and the ability to sound the way we want to...
The terrible thing about CDs is I find alot of students copying everything note for note and tempi wise in the process of learning a piece! As a teacher this is a frustration and concern....we don't need clone clarinet playing.....
Another player who does this work well is Manfred Weise who is still with the Dresden State orchestra....worth listening to as well....
David Dow
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2003-05-30 16:44
Ps. the Combs record is very fine.....great sound on this disc.
David Dow
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Author: Morrigan
Date: 2003-06-01 07:58
cyso_clarinetist: Remeber that you know him personally, so it's easy to confuse comments as criticism. Just a thought.
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Author: diz
Date: 2003-06-01 23:26
D Dow ... yes - the Dresden recordings (was that with Rudolf Kempe??) are very fine ... or am I confused with the Leipzig Gewandhaus recordings??
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2003-06-02 15:52
diz: I think the Dresden is the orchestra on these recordings....the Kempe Clement/Weise combination was particularly nice. I believe these two guys are still in the Dresden orchestra.
I took a few lessons from Weise when they Dresden group was in France on tour in 88.
I would not be surprise they outlive a few more conductors....great wind section in this orchestra....very refined players.
David Dow
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2003-06-02 16:06
A Grammy is about as good a yardstick for measuring musicianship as being homecoming queen is for measuring academic achievement.
(For the reading-between-the-lines impaired, that's a slam against the Grammys and not Mr. Combs.)r
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Author: diz
Date: 2003-06-02 22:11
David Dow
After waking up at 4am (one aspect of getting old I'm not happy about) and then returning to bed ... I was sleepless so listened to the Duet Concertino (Dresden) CD ... the playing is, indeed, very sweet and gentle.
I was listening to some of the harmonies and turns of phrase and Strauss' opera Daphne came to mind ... as this is a late work of his, I gather he was toying with his past? Who knows ... the string and harp writting is like gossamer threaded throughout.
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