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 questions on scales
Author: sfalexi 
Date:   2003-05-07 04:46

I recently recieved from my instructor a scale study guide. I wish I could tell you which one but I just realized I left it at school so will need to re-recieve it on Thursday since he will have picked it up and will scold me for forgetting it so soon (two hours) after he gave it to me.

But here's the question. It has studies in thirds, arpeggios, fourths, sixths, basically all sorts of jumps in major/minor keys.

Should I work on learning the thirds of every key, then the arpeggios of every key, etc? or should I work according to key (learn everything for C-major, then everything for A minor, then F major) figuring the more common keys first?

Alexi

US Army Japan Band

Post Edited (2003-05-07 05:46)

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 Re: questions on scales
Author: EEBaum 
Date:   2003-05-07 05:20

I'd recommend doing it by key to start. Familiarize yourself with every aspect of a key before moving on.

After you've made it at a sufficient speed and accuracy, try doing all the thirds, arpeggios, etc.

Then again, your teacher can probably better guide you in what to do first, as s/he probably has a master plan of some sort.

-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com

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 Re: questions on scales
Author: William 
Date:   2003-05-07 13:11

Buy the "Klose Complete Method for Clarinet" or the "Baerman Book Three" and go to it. The most important--diatonic major scales and their relative minor scales (natural, harmonic and melodic), all scales in thirds (again, major and relative minor) and arpeggios in major and relative minor forms.

The relative minor scales begin on the sixth note of the major scale and have the same key signiture as the major scale (thus, "relatives")

Natural minor--simply play the notes of the relative major scale (starting on the sixth note)

Harmonic minor--raise the seventh note one-half going up and coming down.

Melodic minor--raise sixth and seventh notes one-half step going up, but return key signiture spelling coming down.

It's best to learn one key sig at a time (ex--C major and relative minor A) and follow the circle of fourths (C, F, Bb, Eb, Ab, Db, Gb, Cb) and fifths C, G, D, A, E, B, F#, C#, G#) You will, of course, find that certain keys "overlap" (Gb=F#, Cb=B, Db=C# and Ab=G#) It's little challenges like this that make music so much fun.

Don't expect to learn all of these scales ovenight. I've been playing for 40 yrs and still keep working on them every day. Good luck!!!!!

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 Re: questions on scales
Author: sfalexi 
Date:   2003-05-07 14:06

I got this copy free from my instructor (I WISH I COULD REMEMBER WHAT IT'S CALLED!) but he prefers it to Baermann III. he also photocopied one page from Klose (page 123) which he said would be good if I could play by memory before every session.

I figured over the summer to get at least keys of C, G, and F downpat. I figure that'll leave about 4 weeks each. Hopefully I'll go right along as these aren't too hard and I've inadvertantly been playing the thirds, arpeggios, etc. in music that I've played. Then I'll work from there.

Thanks for the advice. This board has helped me many a time and I see it helping me much more in the near future . . .

Alexi

US Army Japan Band

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 Re: questions on scales
Author: EEBaum 
Date:   2003-05-07 18:09

4 weeks each? You may very well be sick of them. I'd recommend a week or two each, to get familiar. At that rate, it'll take you (24 scales *4 weeks =) almost 2 years to have even played them all. C, G, and F are the easiest keys to play, so you probably don't need as much practice with them. Once you've finished them all, you can start over.

Could it be the Albert method you're using? That's what I'm working on at the moment.

-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com

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 Re: questions on scales
Author: sfalexi 
Date:   2003-05-08 22:45

Sorry to revive this old a thread, but just for the sake of "closure",

ARPEGGIO STUDIES
Opus 35
Robert Stark

Edited by Robert McGinnis.

That's the study that I recieved. I'll be working through it.

Alexi

US Army Japan Band

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 Re: questions on scales
Author: jungle_jazz 
Date:   2003-05-09 01:46

I'd do things by key. My sentiment is that I do all the exercises to help improve my fimiliarity with the key and to increase velocity inorder to add ease to my daily life and accuracy to my sight reading. Each and every exercise helps you with another one. Broken scales help the turn arounds in the scale. Thirds are very important. Always practice them. Don't spend 4 week on a scale, but do go back and review. A week on a scale and all it's exercises is fine, as long as there's improvement. If problems are repeated lay off of them till you can seek advice from your teacher. Practicing mistakes isn't what gets you the ticket. Practice perfect. Good luck. Have fun. That's what's all about.



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 Re: questions on scales
Author: diz 
Date:   2003-05-09 05:17

What does your teacher recommend you do?

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 Re: questions on scales
Author: PolyphonicKat 
Date:   2003-05-09 06:31

anyone have a good online site where i can print off some scales to practice?

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 Re: questions on scales
Author: sfalexi 
Date:   2003-05-09 15:34

My teacher just gave me the sheet. He said he tries to play through it every day as his warmup. He does that and the first Rose Etude as daily warmups.

I guess he just expects me to play through it. After looking at it, it's not in any coherent order (to my knowledge). The first exercise is in the key of C and when it changes to another key, instead of changing key signature it simply puts flats/sharps in front of the notes. I'm assuming that this really helps muscle memory and reading accidentals. The patterns are the same per scale and so all I should hear is a new key not a new pattern of jumps.

The first exercise looks like it goes in this key order throughout the study . . . C, D, F#, Eb, B, Ab, F, . . . well, the pattern is not going through the most common keys and ending on the least common. It seems irregular to me. I'll just go through them slowly. I'll work a page a day (19 pages) and every day will play through to the page i'm working on. And for the remainder of the summer I'll simply play through it over and over. Sound like a decent plan?

Alexi

US Army Japan Band

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