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Author: sinkdraiN
Date: 2003-04-22 14:17
Whats the difference between the R13 and the LL? I own an LL but often wondered how it differed from an R13. I never played one
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2003-04-22 14:55
The main difference is bore size and shape -- R-13 is .5765 and polycylindrical, LL is .582 and conical.
The trill keys are different as well; R-13 has standard offset keys and the LL has inline "jump" keys.
My main Bb is a Prestige R-13 and my A is an LL, and they feel very different. Just by holding them, I wouldn't believe the LL has a larger bore without seeing the figures; it feels so much slimmer and sleeker. The sound is also quite focused for such a large-bore horn. That could just be intrin sic to an A clarinet.
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Post Edited (2003-04-22 16:25)
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Author: sinkdraiN
Date: 2003-04-22 16:37
Ralph G, your observations make sense to me. My LL feels slimmer than the R13s Ive held. My repair tech told me that my LL seemed more focused than his R13 which he described as "spread." Do either of these characteristics lend themselves to jazz or classical. Would a LL project more because its focused?
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2003-04-22 16:59
Well, my LL is an A, so it's naturally more resistant. For me it's not very powerful, while my R-13 Bb can honk with the best of them. Having never played an LL Bb, I can't really judge.
The larger bore would seem to lend itself to jazz, but it would take a better jazz player than me to do it right. But it's a good classical performer.
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2003-04-22 19:25
"Spread" is a term more often used to describe tuning.
You have more than one note emanating from the toneholes, as you go up through the registers of your clarinet.
Check your lowest note (E on my horn) against a tuner. Hold the same keys and open the register vent... compare that note to the same tuner.
Each note will differ from precise pitch by some amount = the 'spread' between overblown twelfths (as played by mice-elf).
The combination of a large internal diameter and small external diameter means the sidewall is relatively thinner. Dunno how much that would effect tuning, however.
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Author: super20dan
Date: 2003-04-23 01:13
as an experienced jazz clarinetest i can tell you the LL is a better horn for jazz than the r13. but for legit playing i much prefer the r13. the LL IS MORE FREE blowing in the lower regester and more powerful in the high reg. as well. a really good player can play both styles equally well on either of these horns.eddie daniles used to play a r13
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